What are black jobs?

[We Never Know]

Ok.

Alrighty then

 

[libre]

Sure there are. Let’s quit pretending people who enter the country unlawfully are not here illegally.

Someone does not become an 'illegal' when they commit a crime.
The dehumanizing language is unbefitting, and trying to suggest that I am somehow 'pretending' that illegal immigration is not illegal is deliberately obtuse.

 

[The Hammer]

The system that is demonstrably the best way to life people up.

Lift them to what? Be some consumerist? Some "productive" worker (whatever that means)?

 

[sayak83]

You're the ignorant one if you think there's an infinite amount of jobs and if you think people don't have to compete with each other for them.

And the rest of that is just the usual liberal justification for having "those people" as slave labor in subpar work conditions for illegal pay often times. Liberals are the biggest racists and elitists there are.

The unemployment rate has hovered from 3.5-4% last two three years. What are you talking about?
The best plan is to document immigrants, not criminalize them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The unemployment rate has hovered from 3.5-4% last two three years. What are you talking about?
The best plan is to document immigrants, not criminalize them.

Oh, please. It's always higher than what the government officially says because they use more restrictive metrics that don't reflect the real world. There's many articles and such about that.

Unemployment Statistics Are Misleading. Economic Hardship Is Much Worse

Analysis: Headlines still say the job market is strong, but it's not true.

www.cnet.com

 

[We Never Know]

Oh, please. It's always higher than what the government officially says because they use more restrictive metrics that don't reflect the real world. There's many articles and such about that.

Unemployment Statistics Are Misleading. Economic Hardship Is Much Worse

Analysis: Headlines still say the job market is strong, but it's not true.

www.cnet.com

True.

"The unemployment rate measures the share of workers in the labor force who do not currently have a job but are actively looking for work. People who have not looked for work in the past four weeks are not included in this measure."

Useful Definitions

Below are definitions for indicators that are frequently followed by EPI. For interactive graphs that display the most recent data, go to EPI's companion website, Economy Track. Unemployment Rate While no single number captures all the nuances in the health of the labor market, the unemployment...

www.epi.org

 

[Laniakea]

Someone does not become an 'illegal' when they commit a crime.
The dehumanizing language is unbefitting, and trying to suggest that I am somehow 'pretending' that illegal immigration is not illegal is deliberately obtuse.

Has anyone ever referred to them as "illegal people"? I haven't seen that.

 

[Laniakea]

The unemployment rate has hovered from 3.5-4% last two three years. What are you talking about?
The best plan is to document immigrants, not criminalize them.

We could do that if they'd come into the country in a way that allowed them to be documented. Those who follow the law and go through the process of becoming citizens of this country are doing that. Those who hide in the trunk of a car and pay drug cartels to help them over the border is another matter.

 

[Watchmen]

That's not addressing my post. The government tracks employment, they don't track how many blacks have black jobs or how many whites have white jobs or how many asians have asian jobs, etc.

You’re twisting my words. Shame on you. The government DOES track how many blacks have jobs, whites have jobs, Asians have jobs and so on. Is that racist?

 

[Watchmen]

Someone does not become an 'illegal' when they commit a crime.
The dehumanizing language is unbefitting, and trying to suggest that I am somehow 'pretending' that illegal immigration is not illegal is deliberately obtuse.

You pretending it is ok to commit illegal acts is a shame.

 

[sayak83]

We could do that if they'd come into the country in a way that allowed them to be documented. Those who follow the law and go through the process of becoming citizens of this country are doing that. Those who hide in the trunk of a car and pay drug cartels to help them over the border is another matter.

The process takes forever and is not immigrant friendly, especially for poor people. That is the problem

 

[Pogo]

The system that is demonstrably the best way to life people up.

When sufficiently regulated.

 

[Stevicus]

Has anyone ever referred to them as "illegal people"? I haven't seen that.

They have often been referred to as "illegal aliens," which is also seen as a dehumanizing term.

Maybe it's because it sounds rather Orwellian, like "un-person." Even if someone commits a crime, even if it's a serious crime, the law still has to deal with them, but still considers them human beings. They have human rights and are entitled to the same protections as any accused person - innocent until proven guilty.

 

[anotherneil]

It's about a political sales pitch, as if to say "look at what's happening to your family, friends, and community because of my opponent; if you want to put a stop to it, then vote for me."

 

[Revoltingest]

What is your point?

Not worth belaboring.

 

[Revoltingest]

So what is the punishment for these American businesses for hiring undocumented workers? Fines? Maybe prison? Wouldn't it be awesome if Congress passed a law that allowed thee workers to do certain jobs so American businesses don't break the law?

Government has mixed motives & beliefs about illegals.
- Keep them out!
- But give them charity when they get in.
- Immigrants are great workers!
- But it's illegal to hire them.
- Punish employers who hire them!
- But don't punish the government that let's
them in, let's them stay, with no useful function.

 

[We Never Know]

You’re twisting my words. Shame on you. The government DOES track how many blacks have jobs, whites have jobs, Asians have jobs and so on. Is that racist?

As I said, they track employment.
They also check employment of men and women.
But they don't check how many women have women jobs and how many men have men jobs.

 

[libre]

You pretending it is ok to commit illegal acts is a shame.

You are misrepresenting my views.

Feel free to reread the 2 posts I have made in this thread. It shouldn't take long

 

[We Never Know]

Someone does not become an 'illegal' when they commit a crime.

Of course not.

The dehumanizing language is unbefitting, and trying to suggest that I am somehow 'pretending' that illegal immigration is not illegal is deliberately obtuse.

However when someone trespasses, being on a place without permission/legally... They are illegally there. Thus illegals.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

However when someone trespasses, being on a place without permission/legally... They are illegally there. Thus illegals.

Trespass refers to personally or organisationally-owned land and property, not a country, which have specific laws and statutes including the ability to legally declare asylum. Even so, you wouldn't call someone who trespasses on your private land "an illegal" just for doing so. That is language reserved exclusively for people who enter, or stay in, a country illegally, because it is specifically designed to diminish their humanity. I think that's the point being made.