What Are the Options for Trump Voters Who Don't Feel Listened to by the Democratic Party?

[Brickjectivity]

When people realize that the republican corporate establishment is only using them for their vote, them maybe things will change. Once you elect a republican, expect to be ignored after the politics and emotional trickery.

Praise the Lord and pass the poison! More Demotalk exactly like Republitalk. "All of our policies support the middle class!" Yeah according to you.

The #1 problem behind it all is Greed. There's plenty of capitalists that do good with their money and attempt to contribute to society. Then there's late-stage Capitalism, where the company is so big everything turns to reducing costs. Greed is the only difference.
Take corporations in the MIC, so big they've completely infiltrated our government. And are robbing us blind with 'government contracts.' The treasury has been getting raided for decades.
18 year war in Afghanistan so far? Constant supply of $$ for corporations involved. Greedy capitalists destroying the middle class in the process. They don't care.

So let me guess who you're suggesting is entirely the wrong choice to fix this....I'm just not sure who it is you support. Just kiddin', but I think if we taped you back to back with a republican spokesperson it would create a singularity vortex....like free energy forever.

 

[tytlyf]

Seems to work out in some fashion under all administration in my experience. Occasional one group or another will start clutching their pearls. I suppose if we can't have religious moral outrage we gots to have political moral outrage. I don't think the US is so fragile to be dependent on who gets elected president.

The presidency isn't as important as congress. Congress is where laws are made and the real damage is done. The presidency is more a leadership position. Trump is a terrible businessperson which equates to a terrible leader. Bad recipe for the highest office in the land.
We can see the results today.

 

[tytlyf]

Praise the Lord and pass the poison! More Demotalk exactly like Republitalk. "All of our policies support the middle class!" Yeah according to you.

Democrats support middle class policies, republicans do not. Name 1 middle class policy republicans have?

So let me guess who you're suggesting is entirely the wrong choice to fix this....I'm just not sure who it is you support. Just kiddin', but I think if we taped you back to back with a republican spokesperson it would create a singularity vortex....like free energy forever.

Republicans are in the business of deception, I'm in the business of exposing that deception. Vote republican if you want the middle class to suffer.
Republicans love creating false narratives so you vote for them. They also love scaring the crap out of their viewership with the hopes they'll vote "the lesser evil."
The emotional trickery is on full display, sadly it works on millions of Americans.

 

[tytlyf]

As far as I can tell, even capitalists don't actually dislike regulations in principle, only those that potentially lessen their profits. So for example, capitalists who benefit from appropriating artistic or intellectual property tend to be strong supporters of an expansion of copyright and intellectual property regulations, new tech companies tend to be in favor of net neutrality regulations etc.

Supporting hardcore market libertarianism seems to be a specific niche among capitalists, and I suspect that it would not benefit all capitalists to the same degree.

I'm mostly referring to billion dollar corporations. The biggest because that's where the biggest problem lies. I'd wager most millionaires don't mind paying taxes and contributing to society because they know it's the right thing to do. Empathy.
Then you have the late-stage capitalists, who've vacuumed up so much tax dollars that the greed has taken over.
Corporations getting congress to approve government contracts to themselves. Those contracts paying ridiculous premiums ($10k toilet seat?) for products involved.
Tax dollars are being raided in the billions every year. They money just vanishes.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Democrats support middle class policies, republicans do not. Name 1 middle class policy republicans have?


Republicans are in the business of deception, I'm in the business of exposing that deception. Vote republican if you want the middle class to suffer.
Republicans love creating false narratives so you vote for them. They also love scaring the crap out of their viewership with the hopes they'll vote "the lesser evil."
The emotional trickery is on full display, sadly it works on millions of Americans.

I'm not going to defend the Republicans, and anybody can see which of your numerous claims has backing and which don't. The continual, rampant, claims by one party against the other are always met with denial, and your denials of Democrat ill doings is telling, too. Notice all you have done is claim that everything Republicans do is based upon lying. Its pure ad-hominem, useless garbage, alarming, annoying, continuous year after year. It wouldn't matter if the Republicans were angels. It would be the same noise, year after year after year.

 

[tytlyf]

I'm not going to defend the Republicans, and anybody can see which of your numerous claims has backing and which don't. The continual, rampant, claims by one party against the other are always met with denial, and your denials of Democrat ill doings is telling, too. Notice all you have done is claim that everything Republicans do is based upon lying. Its pure ad-hominem, useless garbage, alarming, annoying, continuous year after year. It wouldn't matter if the Republicans were angels. It would be the same noise, year after year after year.

I don't make it up like Republicans do. There is a difference. Historically, the economy is always stronger under Democrats. Historically, the middle class does better under democratic control.
The 2 parties are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
Democrats support wage increases, republicans do not. That's one of many examples to show the parties are drastically different in policies.
Feel free to point out anything I made a false claim about. I've done my research, most haven't.
What I say is actually going on. And it's not supposed to be obvious, obviously.

 

[Revoltingest]

Praise the Lord and pass the poison!

True dat.
Start a thread about Trump voter options, & whaddaya get?
Spamming of partisan demonization. It really discourages
any discussion. Meta-commentary is all I can muster.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I don't make it up like Republicans do. There is a difference. Historically, the economy is always stronger under Democrats. Historically, the middle class does better under democratic control.
The 2 parties are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
Democrats support wage increases, republicans do not. That's one of many examples to show the parties are drastically different in policies.
Feel free to point out anything I made a false claim about. I've done my research, most haven't.
What I say is actually going on. And it's not supposed to be obvious, obviously.

The parties seem like matching handcuffs to hold us back from government reforms which are badly needed. Recall that in order to make a real change the Whig party had to be dissolved, thus upsetting the balance. This required betrayal from within the party. Party members had to betray their party and destroy it. Until then the abolitionists couldn't make a difference. They couldn't get the Congress to pay attention or risk financials. It was exactly like today. The supreme court made corrupt judgments. The two parties were in deadlock. The presidents were despised. Each party could admit no wrong, and they tabled any reform. It created in the country something analogous to tectonic stress, and an earthquake was imminent. The elections weren't resolving anything, anymore; and the wealthy sponsors were able to pit the citizens against one another. They started a war. To do this they had to convince military officials to betray the union. They thought this would be over quickly, and nobody would get hurt. They didn't expect what happened; but they did cause it.

 

[tytlyf]

The parties seem like matching handcuffs to hold us back from government reforms which are badly needed.

I'll bite. Which specific reform is most important?

Recall that in order to make a real change the Whig party had to be dissolved, thus upsetting the balance. This required betrayal from within the party. Party members had to betray their party and destroy it. Until then the abolitionists couldn't make a difference. They couldn't get the Congress to pay attention or risk financials. It was exactly like today. The supreme court made corrupt judgments. The two parties were in deadlock. The presidents were despised. Each party could admit no wrong, and they tabled any reform. It created in the country something analogous to tectonic stress, and an earthquake was imminent. The elections weren't resolving anything, anymore; and the wealthy sponsors were able to pit the citizens against one another. They started a war. To do this they had to convince military officials to betray the union. They thought this would be over quickly, and nobody would get hurt. They didn't expect what happened; but they did cause it.

Ok, different timeframe. Different culture and social norms.
You talk about division and a country on the verge, but do you understand how that happened?

 

[Sand Dancer]

There are some issues, like this one, which are not reconcilable. I totally disagree that originalism is the way to go because it does not recognize that times changes.

Certainly there are fundamentals that need to be respected, but to lock the US into what I see are dead forms is to lead to decay and destruction.

I don't get the attraction with politics and religion not updating with the times.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Watching Fox News and tweeting.

Hey, you didn't mention his wonderful golf scores!

 

[Sand Dancer]

They don't have to there are many 3rd party candidates. If enough people actually voted 3rd party it would change both the Democrats and the Republican parties. The problem is that everyone see's it as an either or problem. I've read articles that indicate if just 9 percent of the population would vote 3rd party it would change the whole system.

For some reason, we are almost stuck with two parties. I don't know why we can't be like Europe with many different parties. They have people to actually like voting for, we just have the lesser of two evils. That sucks!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are some issues, like this one, which are not reconcilable. I totally disagree that originalism is the way to go because it does not recognize that times changes.

Certainly there are fundamentals that need to be respected, but to lock the US into what I see are dead forms is to lead to decay and destruction.

The ultimate irony is that the original intent was to change and update the Constitution with the times. The Founders didn't want us to be governed by the dead. So they left things open. Day one they realized they forgot some stuff, and it's changed many times since.

 

[Valjean]

The parties seem like matching handcuffs to hold us back from government reforms which are badly needed.

But isn't it almost always the right-leaning party, of whatever name, that resists change and "reform?" Think of almost any social reform: civil rights, universal suffrage, the eight hour day, minimum wage, social security, worker's compensation, medicare/medicaid, pollution regulations -- all fiercely opposed by the right but now considered commonsense.
Today's right leaning party is the GOP -- the Republican party -- particularly the libertarian dominated branches.

 

[bobhikes]

For some reason, we are almost stuck with two parties. I don't know why we can't be like Europe with many different parties. They have people to actually like voting for, we just have the lesser of two evils. That sucks!

We aren't stuck with 2 parties people are just stubborn. Both parties keep saying if you vote 3rd party your throwing away your vote but that not true. If only 9% of the population votes 3rd party, Federal monies, election status for state and federal and more will all go to the popular 3rd parties. In some cases just a 3% vote will give the independent parties more access to the elections.

 

[Revoltingest]

Today's right leaning party is the GOP -- the Republican party -- particularly the libertarian dominated branches.

The ones pushing those oppressive agendas like gay
marriage, civil liberties, & free speech, eh. The fiends!
It took the USSC to drag Obama & the Clintons into
the 21st century on gay marriage. (They opposed it.)

 

[Brickjectivity]

But isn't it almost always the right-leaning party, of whatever name, that resists change and "reform?" Think of almost any social reform: civil rights, universal suffrage, the eight hour day, minimum wage, social security, worker's compensation, medicare/medicaid, pollution regulations -- all fiercely opposed by the right but now considered commonsense.
Today's right leaning party is the GOP -- the Republican party -- particularly the libertarian dominated branches.

Sometimes what seems progressive isn't constitutional. Sometimes reforms fail. Prohibition is a reform that fails. The union cannot sustain it. It isn't entirely a bad idea. You could save lives by banning alcohol, and you could help families. The ban on marijuana is another reform that is failing. Its not entirely a bad idea, either; but the union cannot sustain it.

Suffrage succeeded. People agree now on it. Its no longer reform but constitutional. Some things are constitutional and some not. When you talk about progress, it must be in terms of what is constitutional. What brings people together versus what cannot be sustained. Was it the Republican party which dragged its feet on marijuana? No. It was progressive, but marijuana was so popular that the law against is proving unconstitutional. It doesn't make a better union and therefore is being undermined.

 

[Valjean]

Sometimes what seems progressive isn't constitutional. Sometimes reforms fail. Prohibition is a reform that fails. The union cannot sustain it. It isn't entirely a bad idea. You could save lives by banning alcohol, and you could help families. The ban on marijuana is another reform that is failing. Its not entirely a bad idea, either; but the union cannot sustain it.

The constitution, believe it or not, is not holy writ. Yes, sometimes reforms fail, but is that any reason not to attempt them? If they fail, try something else, or tweak them, but don't do nothing. Don't fear change.

Suffrage succeeded. People agree now on it. Its no longer reform but constitutional. Some things are constitutional and some not. When you talk about progress, it must be in terms of what is constitutional. What brings people together versus what cannot be sustained. Was it the Republican party which dragged its feet on marijuana? No. It was progressive, but marijuana was so popular that the law against is proving unconstitutional. It doesn't make a better union and therefore is being undermined.

Again, the constitution was not inscribed by the finger of God.

 

[Valjean]

The ones pushing those oppressive agendas like gay
marriage, civil liberties, & free speech, eh. The fiends!
It took the USSC to drag Obama & the Clintons into
the 21st century on gay marriage. (They opposed it.)

They were not progressives. Clinton barely qualified as liberal, and Obama didn't even claim to be.

 

[Revoltingest]

They were not progressives. Clinton barely qualified as liberal, and Obama didn't even claim to be.

For being progressive, I'll take the "libertarian dominated
branches" over typical Democrats any day.