I don't understand. You want to provide chauffeurs for your enemies?To crush my enemies, to see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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What are your Goals?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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I try to use a flow down design for my goals. I use a set of guiding principles, derived from multiple sources including my religion, which flow down to goals which flow to targets. Principles are generalized. Goals are topical and could be specific but don't include atomized demonstrable metrics. Targets are specific and include metrics in both time and accomplishments.
How big is the fork?
Right now my short term goals are focused on the long journey I have ahead of me to slay some Dragons I find vexing.
For those thinking this is metaphorical, you're only partially right. I coach basketball and we need to drive more than 2 hours to play against our opponents on Friday night. The Dragons.
Did you end up slaying the Dragons?
What are your personal goals?
If reference to,
Morals
Which would then also be an indicator to your morals.
My goals, I'll try to list them in order of importance.
Beyond this there are temporary goals, usually which I set for myself on a daily/weekly/monthly basis.
- Make sure my family is provided for.
- Support my family's happiness.
- Personal survival.
- Personal happiness, which largely has a lot to do with the first three goals.
Like doing my laundry. Paying the bills. Earning approximately $100 each day in the stock market. Exercise daily.
My "good" actions support these goals. My bad actions obstruct these goals.
Interesting thought, I never really considered the goals, not good at planning.
To be a world citizen is a goal.
To be the best at my Job that I can, in service of my community is a goal.
Supporting Family is always a goal, most importantly serving my wife, giving her a life she deserves.
Being strong in faith and its practice would be a goal.
Surviving RF would be high in the list.
Regards Tony
Indeed we did!! 5 point victory.
And in a commendable display of sportsmanship, the Dragons provided each of my players with a little bag of goodies to eat on the long drive home.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
What are your personal goals?
If reference to,
Morals
Which would then also be an indicator to your morals.
My goals, I'll try to list them in order of importance.
Beyond this there are temporary goals, usually which I set for myself on a daily/weekly/monthly basis.
- Make sure my family is provided for.
- Support my family's happiness.
- Personal survival.
- Personal happiness, which largely has a lot to do with the first three goals.
Like doing my laundry. Paying the bills. Earning approximately $100 each day in the stock market. Exercise daily.
My "good" actions support these goals. My bad actions obstruct these goals.
So, does that mean that successfully robbing a bank would be an action that you deem to be "moral", because it helps you attain those 4 goals?
You're missing the point if you think this has anything to do with "my" morals.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Maybe the problem is that you aren't properly explaining it.
It seems to me that my question is a perfectly reasonable one considering what I was replying to.
The question was about your goals. What they are and whether you feel they affect your morals.
However, I see right and wrong as situational. Though generally I'd consider consequences such as getting caught, paying fines or jail time as obstacles to my primary goals.
However I could imagine circumstances where the need is greater than the risk. Like if a family member needed an operation I couldn't otherwise afford.
Would it be moral or immoral for you to allow a family member to die if you could have saved them even if it meant you had to break the law?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
But you also said:
My "good" actions support these goals. My bad actions obstruct these goals.
So I assumed that you define your morals in terms of how they help you achieve your goals.
It's right there: you consider "good" those things that help you achieve your goals.
How then, is it not reasonable to therefor conclude that robbing a bank and getting away with it "is good" if the goal is to be rich?
Now, I assume that you wouldn't agree with that and consider the robbing of a bank an immoral act - regardless of whether or not it achieves your goal to be rich, or regardless if you get away with it or not.
So what I'm saying, is that clearly morals aren't connected to whatever goals you set out for yourself.
So do I. I also don't see them as a matter of personal opinion.
Moral dilemma's, where you have to choose without no "right" answer, then opinion is going to determine your decision, but otherwise... I say that there are right and wrong answers to ethical questions.
They are situational / contextual, but they are not a matter of mere personal opinion either.
Several paths exist to whatever goal you set for yourself.
Some of those paths are moral. Others are immoral.
I think that's thin ice.
And it depends off course. But it's not like all other moral values then suddenly become irrelevant.
For example, I assume you wouldn't say the same when it comes to knocking some random person out to steal his kidneys to save your family member.
So it kind of depends.
Depends on what you have to do for it.
One way could be you having to jay-walk to push them to the side to save them from being run-over by a bus.
Another way could be by knocking someone out to take his kidneys.
Both would be breaking the law to save a loved one.
But clearly these two exist on different ethical levels.
You'll be called a hero in the first example.
A murderer in the second.
Being rich wasn't listed.
Maybe being rich would help but I don't see it as a necessary goal.
No, but it does seem to me a matter of personal feeling. My goals are what I feel are good goals. Things I generally know would make me happy.
Things more important than being rich to my happiness.
What makes them immoral?
There are other goals in play. One goal, maybe I should have mentioned which is to not benefit by causing unnecessary harm to another.
I have a preference to help others, even a stranger if it is possible for me to do so.
Helping people I find makes me happy as well.
It's not perfect but for me to decide that causing someone else harm is necessary would require extreme circumstances.
Sure, other personal goals take priority.