What convinced you that Evolution is the truth?

[Dan From Smithville]

lol, you're somethin', Dan from -- uh -- Smithville. Take care.

I continually pray that you will find your way one day.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I don't know anyone who says they have "full knowledge" of God...eesh...

I know many that insinuate it in their words, attitudes, demeanor and claims. Perhaps it is another area that you don't really understand.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Nothing you have posted shows that you answer his questions except by insulting him. Hopefully you can explain more about your association with the Lord, as you put it, with evidence.

I have not insulted anyone, but often been the focus of insults. Claiming I'm insulting when I am not is an insult. Refusing to answer my relevant questions and complaining that I do not answer irrelevant questions is insulting. Doubly so, since it is obviously done as a diversion to avoid answering questions or supporting claims or staying on the subject.

Why do you think honest and rational responses are insulting?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am confused why you would study something you reject, or not believe!

First off I used to be a Christian. And a bit of Bible study was needed for certain events in the church. Eventually the more I read and studied the worse the case for Christianity became until I could no longer believe it. Also Christianity is a major force in this country and they often try to enact immoral laws. Understanding the religion helps in that regard.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know many that insinuate it in their words, attitudes, demeanor and claims. Perhaps it is another area that you don't really understand.

I talk with Jesus for quite a quite a while in a bar sometime last week. Does that count?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Never claimed to be. I claim to believe the one who Said he made us. We who actually believe that, with no details of how it exactly was done, do not require a blue print from God to except it as fact.
To anyone including you, Where is this proof?, not assumptions and theorys. Everyone throws out Natural selection, mechanisms, and other terms, which in no way whatsoever explain the very starting point of life. Nor how it is genetically possible for a slug to turn into a fish, and a fish into a dog, and an ape into a human...THERE IS NO PROOF!!!! And to say anything is a blatant LIE!

God does not say that. At best the Bible says that and it was written by men. The Bible never claims to be perfect. You are ironically breaking the Commandment on making idols. You have made an idol of the Bible.

As to evolution your wording of it is incredibly bad and you could not be more wrong. Evolution is the best evidenced theory in all of the sciences. That is why the theory is accepted by over 90% of all scientists. It was up near 98% the last that I heard.

You really should try to learn at least the basics of science, but creationists are always afraid to do that. As a result they are constantly breaking the Ninth Commandment when it comes to that science.

 

[Saved by grace 2]

We established that you do not have the means to declare that anything regarding science is a lie. Do you have anything more than empty claims and dubious accusations? I would say not, since that is the first destination that was sought when challenged.

That is a jump to conclusions on you part. I do not reject science.

So that I don't jump to any presumptions on your understanding of evolution, please explain if you would care to do so.

 

[Saved by grace 2]

First off I used to be a Christian. And a bit of Bible study was needed for certain events in the church. Eventually the more I read and studied the worse the case for Christianity became until I could no longer believe it. Also Christianity is a major force in this country and they often try to enact immoral laws. Understanding the religion helps in that regard.

You told me you know the bible as well as me........I cannot deny that, as I don't know what you truly know.

I'm sure then, you have studied and understood what it means in I Corinthians 2: 10-16

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Saved by grace 2]

Is not the world around us also God's Word? Why do you reject that in favor of dogma that you cannot sustain?

First, I meant on my last post, "You say you Believe in God" my apologies.

Yes! I believe that entirely, but the world and what is made does not contradict what God's word says it confirms it. I am not sure how we are tying this into evolution, other than my very point from the beginning. Everything created (that exists). shouts Creation! something that someone intelligently designed, not chance.

Again, to your point you made the Bible says this about that.
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

 

[Saved by grace 2]

missed that last sentence before I got started writing here. You may want to curtail your need of name calling and claims of lies, when I have no means to know anything about you other than what you claim which may just be claims. Since that is what is insinuated about me, I remind the good folk here that knife cuts both ways.

What hurtful name did I call you or anyone, since I have posted on this Thread?

 

[YoursTrue]

I accept your claim. I really don't have anyway to reject it. I don't claim to have the power to know who is and who isn't truly Christian. I know some do.

Asking for proof is the big giveaway that you don't understand science and not understanding, you don't have voice of any authority in the discussions of science. Therefore, anything you claim, you are claiming without benefit of knowledge or understanding. It can be rejected out of hand as nothing.

That you continue this ignorance by equating the evolution of life to the origin of life is another indication muting your voice here.

Now you are capitalizing that indicates to me that what little reason was there is going out the door. So much for the civility that others claim for themselves, but so frequently lack.

I missed that last sentence before I got started writing here. You may want to curtail your need of name calling and claims of lies, when I have no means to know anything about you other than what you claim which may just be claims. Since that is what is insinuated about me, I remind the good folk here that knife cuts both ways.

We established that you do not have the means to declare that anything regarding science is a lie. Do you have anything more than empty claims and dubious accusations? I would say not, since that is the first destination that was sought when challenged.

Jesus did say to follow him. When I sang in church I had no idea what was what. For instance, we sang beautiful music (I was a paid musician for a big church) that would quote scripture. I had no real idea what it was talking about, but I loved the music. I learned more later. Also about words such as hell...what it really meant. Just sayin' as the expression goes.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh, you must have a serious mental defect then!



What's so "junkie" about his conclusions?

BTW, Einstein stated he believe in "Spinoza's God", so was his opinion "junkie" too?



This is not entirely correct and has nothing to do with what we're discussing.

Spinoza makes it seem like God is like a smooshing of particles throughout everywhere. Now if a parent tells a child not to steal, hopefully the child listens. In other words, there are some direct instructions from God in the Bible that can help people live productive and sane lives to an extent.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh, you must have a serious mental defect then!



What's so "junkie" about his conclusions?

BTW, Einstein stated he believe in "Spinoza's God", so was his opinion "junkie" too?



This is not entirely correct and has nothing to do with what we're discussing.

Yes about Einstein, I know that. Einstein was not a happy character. He supposedly had a child he never spoke about -- he had no hope for himself as to a future. Do I think Einstein is being tortured in some hellfire that some speak about? No. Do I think he may be resurrected? That is a possibility. And hopefully he will learn more about life and God. The Bible says there is to be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. I'm sure you know that. He wasn't that old when he died, so hopefully he'll have plenty of time to consider things. Do I blame him as a Jew for holding on to a Spinozian viewpoint? Not really. If he is resurrected, he will not have a choice as to that, -- in other words, if he is resurrected, he will not have a discussion with God about it beforehand. The rest will be up to him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You told me you know the bible as well as me........I cannot deny that, as I don't know what you truly know.

I'm sure then, you have studied and understood what it means in I Corinthians 2: 10-16

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.

We will have studied different parts of the Bible. I tend to study its failures. And you have a limited ability to understand the post that you provided. So you lose there. You have to approach it as if the Bible was reliable. I can do it both ways. This is where a belief can be a handicap to a person. You cannot see how parts of it are just self serving bull**** due to your strong belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is a jump to conclusions on you part. I do not reject science.

Actually you do. The problem is that you do not even understand the basics of science. That is why I so often offer to go over them with creationists. But creationists only want to believe, they never want to learn. Are you willing to go over the basics of science? If you are too afraid to do so your refute your claim about yourself.

So that I don't jump to any presumptions on your understanding of evolution, please explain if you would care to do so.

Do you even know what evidence is? What is evidence in the sciences? I doubt if you understand that. Explaining evolution to someone that refuses to learn the basics of science is pointless.

 

[Saved by grace 2]

We will have studied different parts of the Bible. I tend to study its failures. And you have a limited ability to understand the post that you provided. So you lose there. You have to approach it as if the Bible was reliable. I can do it both ways. This is where a belief can be a handicap to a person. You cannot see how parts of it are just self serving bull**** due to your strong belief.

So no explanation then..................If you care to expound, What are these failures that you spend time studying within the Bible? just curious!

And again just curious, why focus only on them?

 

[Saved by grace 2]

Do you even know what evidence is? What is evidence in the sciences? I doubt if you understand that. Explaining evolution to someone that refuses to learn the basics of science is pointless.

Science according to the dictionary is:
the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.
So educate me on evolution 101 please, I am willing to listen

 

[Subduction Zone]

So no explanation then..................If you care to expound, What are these failures that you spend time studying within the Bible? just curious!

Thank you for confirming that you have never properly studied the Bible. We could start with the myths of Genesis, but since you appear to be scientifically illiterate that would not be fair. How about a historical error.

Can you tell me roughly what year Jesus was born in?

And again just curious, why focus only on them?

Because the errors of a faith will often show if it is salvageable or not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Science according to the dictionary is:
the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.
So educate me on evolution 101 please, I am willing to listen

Well there is an instant fail on your part. You do not go to the dictionary for complex concepts.

You only confirmed your own ignorance since that leaves out far too much. Once again, are you willing to learn?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Jesus did say to follow him.

And your point?

When I sang in church I had no idea what was what.

That may be interesting and important to you. I don't know what it means to me.

For instance, we sang beautiful music (I was a paid musician for a big church) that would quote scripture. I had no real idea what it was talking about, but I loved the music. I learned more later. Also about words such as hell...what it really meant. Just sayin' as the expression goes.

I grew up in Christianity. I have been in a church since before I could walk. What does that demonstrate other than I was raised Christian by Christian parents and we went to church.