What convinced you that Evolution is the truth?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

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Thanks, I thought it sounded like Mahler. Interesting background Mahler had. I'll look for the piece, gorgeous in my world, oh I mean worldview...no wonder the cat listened.

It is indeed a wonderful piece of music. Did you ever see the film Death in Venice, with Dirk Bogarde? The Adagietto is featured throughout -- and the movie is exquisitely beautiful because there is so much Mahler and so little dialogue. The movie was taken from a novel of the same name by Thomas Mann -- very short, but also a very good read, if you get a decent translation from the German.

 

[Little Dragon]

Man was supposed to take care of the animals. Not hurt them.

They didn't really need any help, certainly not until humans arrived on the scene, all they needed were their natural habitats and not be hunted or persecuted into extinction. Humans are about as beneficial to global biodiversity as a large asteroid on an intercept trajectory is, sadly, from the very beginning humans have been wiping out lifeforms, the advent of farming and agriculture, was particularly devastating, it's been rapid decline ever since.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Of course this question is addressed both to theists and to atheists. Both to those who believe in evolution and those who believe it's untrue.
Explain why you, through your intelligence, reason and mind developped the awareness and the conviction that Evolution is the historical truth.

If you are a theist, please explain the theological implications, as well.

I will underline that we are not talking about Intelligence Design, here: we are talking about Darwinian evolution based upon the Darwinian principles like natural selection, etc..etc...
Thank you for participating-

Taking an online course at the local community college. I think the best evidence is (not in any order):

1. Seeing natural selection happen in our lifetime with plants and insects.
2. DNA Evidence showing how we are related.
3. Fossil record
4. Endogenous Retroviruses (this is how we know humans and chimps have a common ancestor, this was the last nail in the coffin for me)
5. Vestigial Structures

When the evidence is actually explained to you it is a well supported theory. Most objections are from people have not investigated the actual evidence.

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[YoursTrue]

They didn't really need any help, certainly not until humans arrived on the scene, all they needed were their natural habitats and not be hunted or persecuted into extinction. Humans are about as beneficial to global biodiversity as a large asteroid on an intercept trajectory is, sadly, from the very beginning humans have been wiping out lifeforms, the advent of farming and agriculture, was particularly devastating, it's been rapid decline ever since.

There is nothing to suggest that men were to mistreat animals when Adam and Eve were created. They were not to persecute or hurt them. The situation between man and animals changed after Adam sinned.

 

[YoursTrue]

They didn't really need any help, certainly not until humans arrived on the scene, all they needed were their natural habitats and not be hunted or persecuted into extinction. Humans are about as beneficial to global biodiversity as a large asteroid on an intercept trajectory is, sadly, from the very beginning humans have been wiping out lifeforms, the advent of farming and agriculture, was particularly devastating, it's been rapid decline ever since.

Well, humans "came on the scene..."

 

[Soandso]

5. Vestigial Structures

Hey, there's nothing vestigial about Darwin's tubercle. A world where people can't wiggle their ears is a world I don't want to live in

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

They didn't really need any help, certainly not until humans arrived on the scene, all they needed were their natural habitats and not be hunted or persecuted into extinction. Humans are about as beneficial to global biodiversity as a large asteroid on an intercept trajectory is, sadly, from the very beginning humans have been wiping out lifeforms, the advent of farming and agriculture, was particularly devastating, it's been rapid decline ever since.

And this is all part of evolution. Humans overcome our physical shortcomings with our intelligence. 99% of life went extinct prior to humans coming on the scene. We will see if humans will last.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is indeed a wonderful piece of music. Did you ever see the film Death in Venice, with Dirk Bogarde? The Adagietto is featured throughout -- and the movie is exquisitely beautiful because there is so much Mahler and so little dialogue. The movie was taken from a novel of the same name by Thomas Mann -- very short, but also a very good read, if you get a decent translation from the German.

I will definitely look for it. I have his symphonies and since I was a music major I sang some songs from Songs of a Wayfarer. What a gorgeous piece.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is indeed a wonderful piece of music. Did you ever see the film Death in Venice, with Dirk Bogarde? The Adagietto is featured throughout -- and the movie is exquisitely beautiful because there is so much Mahler and so little dialogue. The movie was taken from a novel of the same name by Thomas Mann -- very short, but also a very good read, if you get a decent translation from the German.

P.S. No wonder the cat was mesmerized. So beautiful. Ok, I'm only kidding because I was thinking watching the video that he was responding to the tones, not the gorgeous gorgeous music. Which I think the elephant was, too. But who am I? They probably talk to other people about that, not me. Please -- that was just a little joke, don't take me seriously on that one. Except for the gorgeous, gorgeous music.
OK, thinking about that now for about 15 seconds, I'm thinking maybe the cat or elephant might not like clanging music. (I don't know, although a scientific study might be made by some, and then maybe try different cats or elephants to see their response to different types of music.) (only kidding again ...)

 

[YoursTrue]

And this is all part of evolution. Humans overcome our physical shortcomings with our intelligence. 99% of life went extinct prior to humans coming on the scene. We will see if humans will last.

I certainly hope to see in the flesh that mankind will last. And not mistreat animals. Neither will animals mistreat humans. How it will work out I hope to be there to see it. This means everlasting life -- to know God and his Son. (John 17:3) So with everlasting life, I look forward to seeing the earth change for the better.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I certainly hope to see in the flesh that mankind will last. And not mistreat animals. Neither will animals mistreat humans. How it will work out I hope to be there to see it. This means everlasting life -- to know God and his Son. (John 17:3) So with everlasting life, I look forward to seeing the earth change for the better.

I am not sure that is possible. The history of humans is filled with sorrow and pain. Not sure why after 2000 years of christianity it would get better now.

 

[YoursTrue]

I am not sure that is possible. The history of humans is filled with sorrow and pain. Not sure why after 2000 years of christianity it would get better now.

I understand your thought here, but we're not talking about the history of Christianity that way. In fact the Bible says many would be false Christians. And misled. Many people, not just true Christians believe we are living in perilous times. The Bible says this would happen in these times. Matthew chapter 24 helps to explain this.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I understand your thought here, but we're not talking about the history of Christianity that way. In fact the Bible says many would be false Christians. And misled. Many people, not just true Christians believe we are living in perilous times. The Bible says this would happen in these times. Matthew chapter 24 helps to explain this.

Yes I used to be a Christian. But why is this necessary? When in human history was it not perilous times?

 

[Sargonski]

Perfect. But I am interested in your stance. Do you consider this theory probable, highly probable or unlikely? And why.

that something is a theory would mean that it is 100% .. somethign that has been proven. A hypothesis is the one that has probability attached to it. something that has not been proven.

Certain things about evolution have been proven .. hence the use of the word theory .. for example .. Mutations happen mutations are real... 100% proven as a mechanism for change. this is combined with self replication .. another 100% fact leading to the formula -

Mutation x Self Replication = change to the DNA = Evolution

Its a Theory .. not a hypothesis.

Now .. the question of did this process lead from apes to humans .. in all likelihood yes .. up to the point where the Annunaki showed up and did some cross breeding .. their DNA with primative hominid to create Yours Truly .. or at least that was the creation story of the Sumerians 5000 years ago..

 

[Heyo]

Taking an online course at the local community college. I think the best evidence is (not in any order):

1. Seeing natural selection happen in our lifetime with plants and insects.
2. DNA Evidence showing how we are related.
3. Fossil record
4. Endogenous Retroviruses (this is how we know humans and chimps have a common ancestor, this was the last nail in the coffin for me)
5. Vestigial Structures

6. Ring species.
That was the evidence that helped me to convince a creationist. It was also the only time I successfully convinced a creationist (that I know of).

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

6. Ring species.
That was the evidence that helped me to convince a creationist. It was also the only time I successfully convinced a creationist (that I know of).

I agree this is interesting and good evidence. I was a creationist at one time. It was other things that lead me to atheism but once I became an atheist I wanted to know about evolution.

 

[Little Dragon]

There is nothing to suggest that men were to mistreat animals when Adam and Eve were created. They were not to persecute or hurt them. The situation between man and animals changed after Adam sinned.

Humans are animals. Just particularly surplus ones, no ecosystem depends on humanity, nothing does, humans are entirely unnecessary at best, at worst a cancer. Apart from slave animals arguably, bred to be consumed. If you call that an existence. Which I do not.

 

[Eddi]

Of course this question is addressed both to theists and to atheists. Both to those who believe in evolution and those who believe it's untrue.
Explain why you, through your intelligence, reason and mind developped the awareness and the conviction that Evolution is the historical truth.

If you are a theist, please explain the theological implications, as well.

I will underline that we are not talking about Intelligence Design, here: we are talking about Darwinian evolution based upon the Darwinian principles like natural selection, etc..etc...
Thank you for participating-

Reason and evidence

 

[Little Dragon]

Well, humans "came on the scene..."

Sadly for thousands of species of animal and plant, that is so. Luckily for all concerned however, humanity like every other species on this planet, will eventually become extinct, and then the natural world can retake what was once theirs, and everything will be as it should be, as it was.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sadly for thousands of species of animal and plant, that is so. Luckily for all concerned however, humanity like every other species on this planet, will eventually become extinct, and then the natural world can retake what was once theirs, and everything will be as it should be.

Once again, God does not want humans to mistreat animals or each other, but He is letting them off on their own since Adam sinned. He will, however, restore the earth to a beautiful situation for mankind and animals in the near enough future.