What do Atheist Believe?

[Mock Turtle]

They come from God. The first humans don't come from nature. They appeared in Africa as done by God. Your thoughts and culture come from God in the end.

Suddenly a believer? I'm not sure my ancestors would agree with you, even if we all have to acknowledge the long history of religions having such a large impact on the whole of humanity. At some point it is highly likely that we didn't believe in any God or gods.

 

[Mock Turtle]

So where did it come from if not natural brains and their cognition? Who gave the aid if not other natural humans?

One word - culture.

 

[ChristineM]

It seems to me that Atheists are most concerned with proof. Not only that they typically want it handed to them on a silver platter served by an angel from heaven. I mean don't get me wrong, all of us would probably love for that to happen, but what I am curious to know is: Is there anything that Atheist believe in? I mean, does an atheist live life expecting everything to be explainable.... factual.... proven? Is there anything, metaphysical or physical, that they actually believe in or do they just rely on their concrete proof and knowledge? If they do believe in something... anything? Why? I'm curious.

I believe in my children and husband.

I believe the sun will rise on the morning

I believe all sorts of things for which there is falsifiable or verifiable evidence including thst some religious folk are really quite ignorant and hateful.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Suddenly a believer? I'm not sure my ancestors would agree with you, even if we all have to acknowledge the long history of religions having such a large impact on the whole of humanity. At some point it is highly likely that we didn't believe in any God or gods.

Yeah, the idea of gods came from God. It is not natural as it is an error and errors are not natural, thus they are from God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

One word - culture.

And culture is not natural, but rather from God.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yeah, the idea of gods came from God. It is not natural as it is an error and errors are not natural, thus they are from God.

And culture is not natural, but rather from God.

There are a few traditional societies who apparently haven't got the message - given they were far enough away from the rest of us not to be so contaminated. So no God for them - but no doubt their culture survives happily without such.

 

[exchemist]

There are a few traditional societies who apparently haven't got the message - given they were far enough away from the rest of us not to be so contaminated. So no God for them - but no doubt their culture survives happily without such.

That's interesting. Who are they? And do they not have any beliefs about spirits or whatever, i.e. some supernatural aspect to life?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There are a few traditional societies who apparently haven't got the message - given they were far enough away from the rest of us not to be so contaminated. So no God for them - but no doubt their culture survives happily without such.

Go back and reread the post from @ADigitalArtist I am just playing with you reductio ad absurdum. If the idea of God is not natural, it is unnatural and thus the world is not just natural, because when you observe the idea of God you observe something unnatural. You are doing the naturalistic fallacy.

 

[Mock Turtle]

That's interesting. Who are they? And do they not have any beliefs about spirits or whatever, i.e. some supernatural aspect to life?

Pirahã people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They do/did believe in spirits, so as mentioned, perhaps one of the paths that led to the God belief.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Go back and reread the post from @ADigitalArtist I am just playing with you reductio ad absurdum. If the idea of God is not natural, it is unnatural and thus the world is not just natural, because when you observe the idea of God you observe something unnatural. You are doing the naturalistic fallacy.

I'm agnostic so I don't care. All I'm saying is that such beliefs do not naturally enter a babies mind.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Pirahã people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They do/did believe in spirits, so as mentioned, perhaps one of the paths that led to the God belief.

So the idea of spirits are natural, humans are natural, but the idea of God is not natural, but come from natural humans. How does that work?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm agnostic so I don't care. All I'm saying is that such beliefs do not naturally enter a babies mind.

So explain where they come from? And if that is not natural. then explain how that works?

 

[Mock Turtle]

So explain where they come from? And if that is not natural. then explain how that works?

Because they listen to and observe others. And given the fact that babies are greedy little blighters - for knowledge as much as for food - they imbibe all that is around them - including the concept of God when they start to understand what it actually means. Like every other piece of information they must make sense of eventually. A natural process of course but that is not the same as the concept being natural - especially if it is in error.

 

[exchemist]

Pirahã people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They do/did believe in spirits, so as mentioned, perhaps one of the paths that led to the God belief.

I see. I think anthropologists regard animism as the first form of religion, which then evolves as tribes coalesce into societies by exchange of ideas.

 

[Mock Turtle]

So the idea of spirits are natural, humans are natural, but the idea of God is not natural, but come from natural humans. How does that work?

The idea of spirits is no more natural than God being natural or that God is behind the lightning or volcanos. These are just projections from the human mind - as being the best available explanations - to really not very knowledgeable people to be frank.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Because they listen to and observe others. And given the fact that babies are greedy little blighters - for knowledge as much as for food - they imbibe all that is around them - including the concept of God when they start to understand what it actually means. Like every other piece of information they must make sense of eventually. A natural process of course but that is not the same as the concept being natural - especially if it is in error.

But where do the other humans get the idea from if not their natural brains?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The idea of spirits is no more natural than God being natural or that God is behind the lightning or volcanos. These are just projections from the human mind - as being the best available explanations - to really not very knowledgeable people to be frank.

So the natural human mind produces something not natural. How does that work?

 

[Mock Turtle]

But where do the other humans get the idea from if not their natural brains?

Best ask them - I don't know. I gave up some time back as to what is natural or not.

 

[Mock Turtle]

So the natural human mind produces something not natural. How does that work?

Cos mostly we are stupid.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Cos mostly we are stupid.

So is stupidity not natural?
Do you understand what the problem is? Humans are in the natural world and they are natural. So how do they do as per cause and effect, cause something unnatural as an effect? Please explain that.