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What do Christians think of this?

Merlin

Active Member
Samara said:
Just wondering what the wode variety of Christians think of this article...

http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/christian.htm



I assume you mean the part that says "it is clear that heaven will contain many who are not Christians, and hell will contain many who are!".

I think we have debated this elsewhere, but I would agree with that statement. There are many (but they rarely come out and say so in public) who believe that you will not go to heaven if you are not a Christian. Many who do not believe there will be Moslem and Hindu etc etc with them in heaven.

Worse still, some believe you will not go to heaven if you are not their own denomination of Christian. Then there are some who believe that you will go to heaven if you are the wrong denomination, but you will either have to convert to them or come back to earth for another try.

I think the afterlife (whatever you choose to call it) is open to all. But you will not get there by choosing the right guy to splash you with water, or just helping old ladies across the road. It is much harder than that.
 

Dentonz

Member
Samara said:
Just wondering what the wode variety of Christians think of this article...

http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/christian.htm



2 Thess 2:10,11 "...with all decievableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they recieved not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

Jesus is the only way, beleive in him and you will be saved.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
Hello, guys, just a general reminder. If you wish to discuss an article, please go ahead, but seeking to convert (one way or the other) is better saved for another forum. :)

(And, no, this wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just in general. )
 

stemann

Time Bandit
Bias against any belief is just wrong. He took a long time to make his point.
Surely not any belief? What about the belief that the moon is made of apples, or the belief that I don't exist? If bias against any belief if wrong, how come I can't start my own religion saying that Asians are unclean and have it officially recognised (that was an example- substitute Asians for any ethnicity if you wish [do I mean ethnicity? Nationality? Race? Feel free to correct me])?
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
stemann said:
Surely not any belief? What about the belief that the moon is made of apples, or the belief that I don't exist? If bias against any belief if wrong, how come I can't start my own religion saying that Asians are unclean and have it officially recognised (that was an example- substitute Asians for any ethnicity if you wish -do I mean ethnicity? Nationality? Race? Feel free to correct me)? [/QUOTE]

yes, the word is ethnicity :D


* this is a silly belief as we have evidence against it
* this is a perfectly valid belief, how can we be sure that we are actually here, that this is not all one dream-like state

but religious belief do not have evidence per se, that is why they are called faith:eek:

* because that is preaching unfounded and unsubstantiated hate ;)

of course, im sure you personally do not preach such things:)


i think the point was though, that it is wrong to hold prejudice against other established religion

C_P

 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
stemann said:
Surely not any belief? What about the belief that the moon is made of apples, or the belief that I don't exist? If bias against any belief if wrong, how come I can't start my own religion saying that Asians are unclean and have it officially recognised (that was an example- substitute Asians for any ethnicity if you wish [do I mean ethnicity? Nationality? Race? Feel free to correct me])?
Anything can be taken to such an extreme as to be ridiculous. I cannot legislate which religions are right and which are wrong. Consequently, I would not ask a potential employee about their religion. That would NEVER be a factor for employment while I am around! I find racism exceptionally revolting, yet I have hired racists and have even worked for them. This does not excuse them from treating ALL customers with due respect. For many of these racists, working with the race that they despise often "rehabilitates" them to the point of them fully repenting of their hate.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Rhere are as many 'bad apples' in the Christian barrel as there are in any other religion. I don't subscribe to the idea of Hell, but I think the writer has a point - although I wouldn't have worded it the way he did.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I don't think that a Wiccian would be worshipping the same God unless they defined Him in the same way as Christians define God. Christians define God in their creeds. I don't know of any creed that affirms that every religion really worships the unknown God, which is actually the God of Christianity. After all, if Wiccans worship the God and Godess that Paul refers to as the unknown God in Acts (different city, different time, different culture, different theology), then really all religions that worship a God actually worship the unknown God which is the God of Christianity, and the Christian distinctives really mean nothing.
 

Fluffy

A fool
After all, if Wiccans worship the God and Godess that Paul refers to as the unknown God in Acts (different city, different time, different culture, different theology), then really all religions that worship a God actually worship the unknown God which is the God of Christianity, and the Christian distinctives really mean nothing.
This would be what some people believe.
 

stemann

Time Bandit
stemann said:
Surely not any belief? What about the belief that the moon is made of apples, or the belief that I don't exist? If bias against any belief if wrong, how come I can't start my own religion saying that Asians are unclean and have it officially recognised (that was an example- substitute Asians for any ethnicity if you wish -do I mean ethnicity? Nationality? Race? Feel free to correct me)? [/QUOTE]

yes, the word is ethnicity :D


* this is a silly belief as we have evidence against it
* this is a perfectly valid belief, how can we be sure that we are actually here, that this is not all one dream-like state

but religious belief do not have evidence per se, that is why they are called faith:eek:

* because that is preaching unfounded and unsubstantiated hate ;)

of course, im sure you personally do not preach such things:)


i think the point was though, that it is wrong to hold prejudice against other established religion

We have scientific evidence against the moon thing, but only as long as you believe the sensory data fed to you by what is believed to be 'the outside world.'

Exactly, this could all be an illusion, which leads into:

* because that is preaching unfounded and unsubstantiated hate
Wait a minute.... why do you claim it's wrong to preach 'unfounded and unsubstantiated HATE' and yet it's ok to preach anything else unfounded and unsubstantiated?
I can only assume you think hate is a bad thing..... which leads me to the question, where do your values of 'good' and 'bad' come from? If I believe this world is no more real than any dream or illusion, what reason do I have to act morally?

i think the point was though, that it is wrong to hold prejudice against other established religion
And yet people would say a religion is 'wrong' or 'evil' if it preached hate- if YOUR opinion is that hate is 'bad', and MY opinion is that hate is 'good', why are you allowed to say my opinion is 'wrong' when if i do the same it is called prejudice?
 
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