What do you say?

[porkchop]

What do you say?
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The question you must answer is a simple one.
It's not, " What do you think of a certain religion?"
It's not, " What do you think of christians?"
It's not, " What good works have you done lately?"
It's not, " What are the traditions of your church?"
The question that stands between every human and God is this: " What are you going to do with Jesus?"
Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" ( John 14:6). Paul and Silas said, " Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved" ( Acts 16:31). Luke wrote, " Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" ( Acts 4:12). Paul said that " God was in Christ reconcilling the world to Himself" ( 2 Cor. 5:19).
The message is clear: Faith in Jesus is the only way to God. So what are you going to do with Him? Will you allow phiosopher's decieving words to make you mistrust the saviour? Will you permit a translator's trick to cause you to reject Jesus? Will you let the musings of mere humans carry more weight than the message of almighty God?
Please don't. Take Jesus at His word. Put your faith in His sacrifice for your sins on the cross of Calvalry. You'll find the joy that comes from being set free from the penalty of sin. What will you do with Jesus? That's the most important question you will ever answer.

Taken fromOur Daily Bread ( March, April & June 07 edition)

Just something for you all to think on.​

 

[michel]

Fair enough, and, as it happens, I believe that jesus Christ is my Saviour.

But what of all those who do not believe in Christ ? Do you honestly see God turning them away from heaven ? Say they have spent their entire lives doing good deeds, and have behaved in an exemplary manner..what then ?

 

[porkchop]

Fair enough, and, as it happens, I believe that jesus Christ is my Saviour.

But what of all those who do not believe in Christ ? Do you honestly see God turning them away from heaven ? Say they have spent their entire lives doing good deeds, and have behaved in an exemplary manner..what then ?

Yes, i do believe God will turn them away from heaven, good deeds is not enough, Michel. God is a God of justice and clearly states in the Bible what you have to do to get into heaven; to be saved.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What do you say?​

The question you must answer is a simple one.
It's not, " What do you think of a certain religion?"
It's not, " What do you think of christians?"
It's not, " What good works have you done lately?"
It's not, " What are the traditions of your church?"
The question that stands between every human and God is this: " What are you going to do with Jesus?"
Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" ( John 14:6). Paul and Silas said, " Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved" ( Acts 16:31). Luke wrote, " Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" ( Acts 4:12). Paul said that " God was in Christ reconcilling the world to Himself" ( 2 Cor. 5:19).
The message is clear: Faith in Jesus is the only way to God. So what are you going to do with Him? Will you allow phiosopher's decieving words to make you mistrust the saviour? Will you permit a translator's trick to cause you to reject Jesus? Will you let the musings of mere humans carry more weight than the message of almighty God?
Please don't. Take Jesus at His word. Put your faith in His sacrifice for your sins on the cross of Calvalry. You'll find the joy that comes from being set free from the penalty of sin. What will you do with Jesus? That's the most important question you will ever answer.​

Taken fromOur Daily Bread ( March, April & June 07 edition)​

Just something for you all to think on.​

I have no problem with Jesus, personally. I'd do what I could for him. I've stated before that if Jesus came to my door, I'd welcome him in, offer him food and drink, let him sleep over if he needed a bed, and then open the door for him were he ready to leave. He deserves my respect, and I therefore have no difficulty giving him that respect.



The thing is, Porkchop, I interpret scripture quite differently than you do. I don't disagree with Christ.........just how others' interpret his teachings and proclamations.



Then again, I'm not what you would call a "Christian" since my main practice is Buddhism and my measuring stick is the Buddha-Dharma. But I do what I can to follow Christ and his teachings. I'd say he was an enlightened being whom I ought to pay attention to. :flower:



Peace,
Mystic

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Yes, i do believe God will turn them away from heaven, good deeds is not enough, Michel. God is a God of justice and clearly states in the Bible what you have to do to get into heaven; to be saved.

There is not one disciple of the apostles that agrees with your interpretation of their masters' works.

Apostolic Fathers Against TULIP

Given that these writers had some contact with the apostles and handled the very first copies of the manuscripts and preserved it for our use, I must conclude that you've misunderstood something in the Bible.

 

[FatMan]

Yes, i do believe God will turn them away from heaven, good deeds is not enough, Michel. God is a God of justice and clearly states in the Bible what you have to do to get into heaven; to be saved.

The religious thing I struggle with most is the concept that if one does not accept the particular being that another group worships, then they are eternally doomed.

That christians would believe that all people worshipping other religions are marked is a poor concept. That radical Muslims would believe that all who don't follow allah should be killed is a narrow minded path. That all Scientologists would believe that all who do not give up their life savings and strive to go to outer space are doomed is a hard sell.

To me, religion should be an entity that guides how we should ideally behave, not create some some of snobbish hierarchy where those who accept certain beings are good and all else evil.

 

[kateyes]

What do you say?​

The question you must answer is a simple one...............Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" ( John 14:6). Paul and Silas said, " Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved" ( Acts 16:31). Luke wrote, " Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" ( Acts 4:12). Paul said that " God was in Christ reconcilling the world to Himself" ( 2 Cor. 5:19).
The message is clear: Faith in Jesus is the only way to God. So what are you going to do with Him? Will you allow phiosopher's decieving words to make you mistrust the saviour? Will you permit a translator's trick to cause you to reject Jesus? Will you let the musings of mere humans carry more weight than the message of almighty God?
Please don't. Take Jesus at His word. Put your faith in His sacrifice for your sins on the cross of Calvalry. You'll find the joy that comes from being set free from the penalty of sin.........​

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Porkchop--I think on this every day--and I do believe Jesus is my savior and that he died for our sins. I would question a few things though--you tell us not to let a "translator's trick", or a "philosopher's decieving words" make us distrust the savior--but your quotes may or may not be the actual words of Jesus--I follow Jesus--I do not follow Paul--your quotes come from the words of Paul and others who in all probability had no direct contact with Jesus--but who rewrote second or third hand accounts. I think we have to communicate with Jesus with our hearts--and not trust interpret his teachings through others with thier own agenda.

 

[porkchop]

There is not one disciple of the apostles that agrees with your interpretation of their masters' works.

I would have to disagree.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48525

Apostolic Fathers Against TULIP

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48525

Isn't this TULIP thing to do with calvanism? I'm no calvanist, AE.

Given that these writers had some contact with the apostles and handled the very first copies of the manuscripts and preserved it for our use, I must conclude that you've misunderstood something in the Bible.

I understand the Bible quite well, AE, enough to know what it is to be saved and how, i only wish this for all who are not.

 

[porkchop]

[/left]

Porkchop--I think on this every day--and I do believe Jesus is my savior and that he died for our sins. I would question a few things though--you tell us not to let a "translator's trick", or a "philosopher's decieving words" make us distrust the savior--but your quotes may or may not be the actual words of Jesus--I follow Jesus--I do not follow Paul--your quotes come from the words of Paul and others who in all probability had no direct contact with Jesus--but who rewrote second or third hand accounts. I think we have to communicate with Jesus with our hearts--and not trust interpret his teachings through others with thier own agenda.

I started reading your post and thought, "how lovely.." then i read on and thought " what a shame.." I actually didnt write this piece, its from a 3monthly book i get called Our Daily Bread, i only wish i could write things as good as that. This hatred and nastiness against Paul, the apostle, has really surprised me and ive never come acroos it before, i do not know how you can read the Bible, believe it and not Pauls writings. God chose him, spoke through him, and used him for His purpose.
Whats all this nonsense about "own agendas?"
Seriously, im well confused on this. Is this a new theory bout Paul that people are getting all hyped about?

 

[Quagmire]

[/left]
...I think we have to communicate with Jesus with our hearts....

Amen

...But what should I call you? That part's still unclear,
" (LOL!)You don't have to call me, I'm already here!"
---from "I Am (What else do you need to know?)"


Pork Chop, here's what I wont do with Jesus;

1. Use him as an excuse to stop seeking God.
2. Use his name as a way of making my own fears, prejudices, and lack of compassion sound noble.

What I will do with him;

Commiserate with him that so many have disregarded his message in order to capitalise on his myth.