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What do you think about abolishing political parties?

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?

George Washington was against them in the first place because he felt a political party would do whats best for the party...over what is best for the country.... and you know what... looks like he was right
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?
I would abolish special interest and corporations are people that can contribute to political parties.

Only private individuals alone, ergo the common citizen.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
George Washington was against them in the first place because he felt a political party would do whats best for the party...over what is best for the country.... and you know what... looks like he was right


Yes, this is some of what Washington said about it:


Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
George Washington was against them in the first place because he felt a political party would do whats best for the party...over what is best for the country.... and you know what... looks like he was right
He was independent and it works.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?
I think labels are a type of tribalism, and it is inevitable that we humans use a label (even as an insult, like "woke" or MAGA) to hang on others. It is a sort of shortcut, too, which we use for better or worse. We humans organize and use labels as a means to do that, so I'm not sure how effective de-labeling would be.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I think labels are a type of tribalism, and it is inevitable that we humans use a label (even as an insult, like "woke" or MAGA) to hang on others. It is a sort of shortcut, too, which we use for better or worse. We humans organize and use labels as a means to do that, so I'm not sure how effective de-labeling would be.

True, although at least it would be made more unofficial as far as actual government processes go. Many of the problems with the electoral system seem to be rooted more in the party primaries, conventions, and the overall candidate selection process. For any given office, you might get 10 candidates for a primary, and then the voters can pick the top 3 or 4 to go the general election. Of course, candidates' political affiliations and associations would be known to the voters, but would have no official standing in the election.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
True, although at least it would be made more unofficial as far as actual government processes go. Many of the problems with the electoral system seem to be rooted more in the party primaries, conventions, and the overall candidate selection process. For any given office, you might get 10 candidates for a primary, and then the voters can pick the top 3 or 4 to go the general election. Of course, candidates' political affiliations and associations would be known to the voters, but would have no official standing in the election.
Elections are a sloppy mess. The whole system needs a reform. That the presidential election lasts 2 years is insanity.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?
*creative frubal*

It's an interesting idea. It would force voters to not reflexively vote for people based on the letter next to their name on the ballot. If we have no political parties in the election process then I see no point in multiple rounds of voting (as in a primary/general situation) unless one candidate doesn't get a majority. Then I think top two should compete in a run off.

Congress would still be able to form caucuses in this system, so that would become de facto political party affiliation in terms of whipping votes and so on.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I think labels are a type of tribalism, and it is inevitable that we humans use a label (even as an insult, like "woke" or MAGA) to hang on others. It is a sort of shortcut, too, which we use for better or worse. We humans organize and use labels as a means to do that, so I'm not sure how effective de-labeling would be.

Are "woke" and "MAGA" just labels?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?
It would make no real difference.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
What do you think?
I'm totally with you in principle but it would be very difficult to implement safely and effectively. The core risk would be that we effectively still have political parties but loose many of the checks and balances in place to (in theory) limit their influence. I think rather than officially pretending that parties don't exist, we should officially acknowledge them but actively seek to limit their dominance.

With or without parties, I've long been in favour of the idea of not allowing party affiliation on the ballot for individual candidates. If you're going to vote for someone, you should at least know what their name is.

Since I'm not American, I can also suggest simply getting rid of primaries entirely. Such things don't exist in many other places and I don't see why they're necessary. To me, all they seem to do in the US is enforce both the image and fact of the only valid choices are Democrat or Republican. If a party (or other grouping) want to choose a candidate to represent them, they will be free to do that themselves but equally any individual (who otherwise qualifies) would be free to stand in an election too,
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
In the United States it's already like that, I mean... kind of...
There are two parties which are pretty similar to one another...

With no exaggeration, in Europe people have always voted for the parties. Not for the people.

I recall my aunt saying: I will always votes for the Partito Socialista, I don't care who its leader is.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I was just mulling over this idea, and I thought I'd throw it out there to see where it bounces. Just thinking out loud, as it were.

Of course, I'm not proposing that the right to free association be removed, but just removing any kind of official government standing. There would be no party affiliations listed on the ballots, and the method of choosing candidates would be through a general primary with only a list of names - no party affiliation. The top few candidates would then go on to the general election. (I can't decide how many, but I'm thinking it should be more than two.) Needless to say, it would also mean that there would be no "majority" or "minority" leaders in Congress. At least from a governmental standpoint, politicians' party affiliations would be a private matter, viewed no differently than their religious affiliations.

So, theoretically, political "parties" would still exist, but they would not be recognized in any official capacity.

What do you think?
I like the idea of a return to States Rights, and reducing the size of the Central Government. Washington is where the Political two party system division does the most damage. The states have balanced budget amendments. Only the Central Government blows money, beyond its means, to boost the political parties; both want and get wish lists,

When the Constitution was written, the Senate was chosen by the State legislatures. There was also no Federal income tax beyond raising money during war; provide for the common defense. Promote the general welfare does not mean tax since promote can be done with volunteers. After these two changes were amended in the Constitution, the size of Central Government and the extreme waste of the two political parties began.

When Senators were chosen by State Legislatures, they were chosen by the people in the know; state government, to represent the interests of the State, in terms of Central Government Policies. Once the amendment was added, and Senators became chosen by the people, the choices for leaders changed from the local understanding of need and competence, to more about national prestige via their political party.

Today few senators are concerned just with their state. Most like the national spotlight and are outspoken on national issues important to the national party. We get a different type of person running for Senators, one more party orientated at the National level, for the needed bigger money and support. Few are there to only deal with the will of their state, as was originally the goal. Congress was designed to be more about the National issues, via open voter elections.

Ratifying the National income tax in 1913, allowed a way to grow central government, so the two parties had more power to share and leverage the citizen wealth, at the National level. This tax was never enough, and has resulted in huge deficits, since the two party version of everything, is way too expensive.

This house of debt cards, is like a pyramid scam. It cannot last forever. I would prefer only states can have the right to impose an income tax, but with their balanced budgets in place. The Central Government would work better if it was not so rich. that it become too money centric; bribes called campaign donations from other states.

During the last Midterms, each National political party was pumping money into state elections, so the will of the state was being perverted by the National Parties. I do not think this was in the best interests of the citizens of each state. Political parties in States, tend to find a better balance, since their citizens are closer to the action; watch local news. The more politically biased National News and propaganda, gets too deceptive and abstract, even with it impacts you directly.
 
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