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What do you think about prostitution?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not advocating anything. I'm questioning whether it's truly possible in a culture that teaches women's value is somewhat less than men's and that this value probably lies in their ability to reproduce (hence a high premium on virginity) to make a *free" choice to sell access to one's person.
Some individuals aren't constrained by the value's which you see being taught.
Some even see values different being taught.
(Consider the old "women & children first" philosophy in life saving situations.
Hoyven glaven! What are men.....just chopped liver?)
To find a loose correlation between childhood abuse & adult choices is not to say the former is deterministic.
But even if it were, it doesn't make prostitution immoral.
No matter what our upbringing, be it healthy or ill, the morality of our choices
should be determined by liberty & autonomy of the parties involved.

Analogy time:
It's been said that gay men resulted from weak/absent fathers & overbearing mothers.
Even if this were true, would it make being gay wrong/immoral? Of course not.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Still one interesting question remains.....
If women are valued less than men, & because of this they have less choice in entering
prostitution, does that mean that men have more freedom to choose the same?

Don't worry....whatever your answer, it isn't to prove or disprove anything.
Just curious.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Some individuals aren't constrained by the value's which you see being taught.
Some even see values different being taught.
(Consider the old "women & children first" philosophy in life saving situations.
Hoyven glaven! What are men.....just chopped liver?)
To find a loose correlation between childhood abuse & adult choices is not to say the former is deterministic.
But even if it were, it doesn't make prostitution immoral.
No matter what our upbringing, be it healthy or ill, the morality of our choices
should be determined by liberty & autonomy of the parties involved.

Analogy time:
It's been said that gay men resulted from weak/absent fathers & overbearing mothers.
Even if this were true, would it make being gay wrong/immoral? Of course not.
I'm not moralizing. What I'm questioning is whether "freely" chosen prostitution can be a furtherance of abuse. Why do you keep insisting I'm doing something I'm repeatedly telling you I'm not? :D
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not moralizing.
Good!
Cuz I'm the one preaching here (against government prohibition of consensual sex for money).
What I'm questioning is whether "freely" chosen prostitution can be a furtherance of abuse. Why do you keep insisting I'm doing something I'm repeatedly telling you I'm not? :D
I don't think I'm insisting that.
I did probe to see if you wanted any prohibitions, & you've made it clear that you don't.
At this point, I'm curious about your views on freedom vs dysfunctional predestined choices.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Good!
Cuz I'm the one preaching here (against government prohibition of consensual sex for money).
When a 13 year old girl asks a naive question motivated by ideas about reinstituting temple prostitution, pontificating "against government prohibition of consensual sex for money" strikes me as more thoughtless than helpful.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Good!
Cuz I'm the one preaching here (against government prohibition of consensual sex for money).

I don't think I'm insisting that.
I did probe to see if you wanted any prohibitions, & you've made it clear that you don't.
At this point, I'm curious about your views on freedom vs dysfunctional predestined choices.
Mixed. We might just as well be arguing over whether free will exists. :D
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
In Babylon it was a sacred requirement for all women to offer themselve, once, at the Temple of Aphrodite.
There were no permanent temple prostitutes.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
It seems strange to me that a womans enjoyment and skill in the art of sexual pleasure.
must be subjugated as a prostitute at the margines of criminality.
Perhaps it could see expression in a more innocent and joyous way.

Of course such a way exist in partnership with a devoted husband.

Only the Japanese seem to have combined all the female arts in that of the geisha.
Temple Geishas free from commerce, with the women making the choices would seem possible.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It seems strange to me that a womans enjoyment and skill in the art of sexual pleasure.
must be subjugated as a prostitute at the margines of criminality.
Perhaps it could see expression in a more innocent and joyous way.

Of course such a way exist in partnership with a devoted husband.

Only the Japanese seem to have combined all the female arts in that of the geisha.
Temple Geishas free from commerce, with the women making the choices would seem possible.
Free from commerce?
No, no....
Geisha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Selinagirl

Member
strange to me that a womans enjoyment and skill in the art of sexual pleasure.
must be subjugated as a prostitute at the margines of criminality.
Perhaps it could see expression in a more innocent and joyous way.

Of course such a way exist in partnership with a devoted husband.

Only the Japanese seem to have combined all the female arts in that of the geisha.
Temple Geishas free from commerce, with the women making the choices would seem possible.
Funny thing is, that vaginal prostitution is prohibited in Japan since 1958.
 

Marisa

Well-Known Member
Still one interesting question remains.....
If women are valued less than men, & because of this they have less choice in entering
prostitution, does that mean that men have more freedom to choose the same?

Don't worry....whatever your answer, it isn't to prove or disprove anything.
Just curious.
Had to think about this one for a while. I think if sex isn't moralized, it would likely become a valueless commodity.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I'm allready catholic, but i will leave the church when i'm 14 cause it doesn't help me making money.

Sounds like you are not really Catholic now. You just have not told anyone that. Reminds me of myself at your age.

And there is some Irish archbishop bemoaning the loss of the youth.:rolleyes:

Tom
 
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