What do you think about the Bahai faith?

[viole]

What do you think about the Bahai faith?

It has the same evidence as all other faiths. Therefore, no rational reason to prefer it.

Ciao

- viole

 

[PureX]

Entities are not what is in evidence, their proposed existence is put forth as a candidate for what has caused that which is in evidence.

"Entities" are only being put forth is a way of conceptualizing whatever creative force is behind existence. It's a very vague term and you don't have to use it. But most humans find it convenient. The fact tgat you have such an issue with it is your problem to deal with. Not theirs.

Just as with a Rube Goldberg contraption in which we can imagine varied and complex ways to effect the same result, the boundless abstraction of thought enables us to imagine limitless and unevidenced causes or series of causes to account for the phenomena or events in evidence. Imagined unevidenced causes have no real value.

They have tremendous value, as they are how we humans cognate the many mysteries of our existence. Without imagination, we are just dumb animals. Less even, just biological robots. Without being able to imagine the 'abstract' possibilities, we would never know of them. Even the ones that prove to be wrong help us to determine which ones prove themselves to be right. Evidence isn't even evidence without imagination.

It is evidenced causal chains that have explanatory value.

Only via imagination. And the abstract thought imagination enables.

If we find ourselves at an impasse in tracing back an evidenced causal chain, then we can only confidently say we do not know the causes prior to this last evidenced cause.

Confidence is just arrogant foolishness. We love it because it helps us to pretend we are what we so desperately want to be: gods. But in fact and truth we can be certain of nothing, but that we are not gods.

There is no evidenced causal chain that leads to any claimed entities proposed to date and such entities can be dismissed as we would any other unevidenced causes that can be concocted from boundless imagination.

The "chain" itself is very strong evidence of a cause behind all that causation. What we call that mysterious cause and how we conceptualize it is up to us. But the question of it's existence is valid. And everything else that exists is it's evidence.

 

[MikeF]

"Entities" are only being put forth is a way of conceptualizing whatever creative force is behind existence. It's a very vague term and you don't have to use it. But most humans find it convenient. The fact tgat you have such an issue with it is your problem to deal with. Not theirs.

You may hold this philosophical position, but I do not see it as one that is universally held by the believers of specific entity/s.

They have tremendous value, as they are how we humans cognate the many mysteries of our existence. Without imagination, we are just dumb animals. Less even, just biological robots. Without being able to imagine the 'abstract' possibilities, we would never know of them. Even the ones that prove to be wrong help us to determine which ones prove themselves to be right. Evidence isn't even evidence without imagination.

Yeah, blurring here between abstraction and the objective world. Abstract imagination is boundless and so anything is possible as pure abstraction. Anything is not possible in the real world. I am all for the power of imagination in discovering real possibilities, possibilities actually available to us in the real world.

via imagination. And the abstract thought imagination enables.

Causal chains are objectively established.

Confidence is just arrogant foolishness. We love it because it helps us to pretend we are what we so desperately want to be: gods. But in fact and truth we can be certain of nothing, but that we are not gods.

This is certainly your subjective philosophical view. The success of scientific inquiry more than adequately rebuts it.

The "chain" itself is very strong evidence of a cause behind all that causation. What we call that mysterious cause and how we conceptualize it is up to us. But the question of it's existence is valid. And everything else that exists is it's evidence.

People *can* conceptualize the unknown however they wish to imagine it. But if we are being honest, is it really their conception, or is it the one that has been culturally instilled, handed down for millennia.

I, and others, would much rather understand that which is currently unknown as it *actually* is and leave the mythology of the past, in the past.

 

[Trailblazer]

It has the same evidence as all other faiths. Therefore, no rational reason to prefer it.

Ciao

- viole

That all depends upon what you consider evidence.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This really makes no sense. It illustrates the illusion.

Exactly what this reality is, "The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality."

"Know thou that the Kingdom is the real world, and this nether place is only its shadow stretching out. A shadow hath no life of its own; its existence is only a fantasy, and nothing more; it is but images reflected in water, and seeming as pictures to the eye." – Abdu’l-Baha.

All the best F1fan, shall we do another lap, alas no, I am off to the pits.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Exactly what this reality is, "The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality."

"Know thou that the Kingdom is the real world, and this nether place is only its shadow stretching out. A shadow hath no life of its own; its existence is only a fantasy, and nothing more; it is but images reflected in water, and seeming as pictures to the eye." – Abdu’l-Baha.

With all due respect, that is what 'Baha'is believe' reality is, but it s not provable.

I share your sentiments. For me this world is a dark and narrow place, a storehouse of afflictions and suffering.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

With all due respect, that is what 'Baha'is believe' reality is, but it s not provable.

I share your sentiments. For me this world is a dark and narrow place, a storehouse of afflictions and suffering.

Thank you tailblazer, I hope all is ok for you. Using logic and reason, I personally see there is much proof, it has to be so, God would not leave us to have naught but doubt, there must be a level of certitude.

Thus we have NDE experiences, we have dreams where the future and new inventions are discovered, we have other world experiences.

Science may currently relegate them to the material world, but logic and reason to me see they transcend the material existence.

I see no need to lessen the experiences they can give, by relegation.

Regards Tony