What do you think about the concept of a "loyalty pledge"?

[Brickjectivity]

That's not gonna happen in this two-party system the US effectively has, at least not on short term. Let's be honest: Republicans in general would still prefer to vote in Trump than in any democrat candidate.

Party members probably would, but voters might not. There could be a very different result than what you are thinking, and this election Biden would be a known quantity not a variable. In 2020 he was treated like a variable person who might do this or that, but there is uncertainty surrounding Pres. Trump who has burned many bridges to friends he might otherwise have kept.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yet another of @Twilight Hue 's whataboutisms goes down in flames.

Not really as this is about pledging itself.

 

[We Never Know]

Did you read the Democrats' pledge, though? Your big bold text suggests that you didn't.

Things in that pledge:

- the candidate affirms that they really are a Democrat.
- the candidate acknowledges the authority of the party to choose a candidate according to its rules.

Things NOT in that pledge:

- the candidate pledging to support any Democrat candidate for President... i.e. the thing at issue.

Eh!!

The democrats pledge...

"The party rules state that a candidate must "be a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings, and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare, and success of the Democratic Party of the United States who subscribes to the substance, intent, and principles of the Charter and the Bylaws of the Democratic Party of the United States, and who will participate in the Convention in good faith."

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run#:~:text=The%20party%20rules%20state%20that,United%20States%20who%20subscribes%20to

 

[exchemist]

Eh!!

The democrats pledge...

"The party rules state that a candidate must "be a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings, and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare, and success of the Democratic Party of the United States who subscribes to the substance, intent, and principles of the Charter and the Bylaws of the Democratic Party of the United States, and who will participate in the Convention in good faith."

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run#:~:text=The%20party%20rules%20state%20that,United%20States%20who%20subscribes%20to

......which is not at all the same as pledging to support whatever individual may be selected to be a presidential candidate.

 

[We Never Know]

......which is not at all the same as pledging to support whatever individual may be selected to be a presidential candidate.

Right. Its only to support democrats.
I reckon if a repub its selected/wins, they aren't supposed to support them.

 

[exchemist]

Right. Its only to support democrats.
I reckon if a repub its selected/wins, they aren't supposed to support them.

No it's to support the aims of the party. Not individuals.

 

[We Never Know]

No it's to support the aims of the party. Not individuals.

Which IMO falls under "faithful to the interests, welfare, and success of the Democratic Party"

 

[exchemist]

Which IMO falls under "faithful to the interests, welfare, and success of the Democratic Party"

No, it does not say that. It might preclude a person from actively undermining a chosen candidate, but there is nothing here saying a candidate has to be endorsed or supported.

 

[We Never Know]

No, it does not say that. It might preclude a person from actively undermining a chosen candidate, but there is nothing here saying a candidate has to be endorsed or supported.

And thats your opinion. We have different opinions.

However....Not endorsing and/or not supporting a candidate isn't being faithful to the interests, welfare, and success of the Democratic Party"

 

[We Never Know]

Not vote for that party. Do everything you can to prevent such a party from gaining power. Vote for, donate money to, campaign for their opposition.

So an independent?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The RNC walks a delicate line, post Trump indictment

The candidate complained about pledging to back a possible "convicted felon."

www.politico.com

What do you think about this concept? Any Republican candidate what wants to participate in the nomination debates must sign a pledge to support whoever becomes the Republican Presidential Candidate.

Some of those Republicans running for President are doing so with the specific intent of stopping another candidate, because they think it is important that a certain person not become President. How can those people sign a pledge that says they would support them?

How can anyone in good conscience sign a pledge that says they would support someone for President even if they have been convicted of espionage against the United States? How can they be expected to take an oath that they will support someone who broke his oath to defend the constitution? One of the candidates is being asked to pledge to support a candidate who encouraged a mob to hang him.


Any one of the candidates who signs this pledge you know is someone who doesn't take their oaths seriously.

Purest trash. Any candidate who actually makes such a pledge is acknowledging that they would, if the time arose, support a convicted felon. Either they are lying through their teeth making them unworthy of support, or by signing it, they reveal themselves to be unworthy of any further consideration.

 

[fantome profane]

Purest trash. Any candidate who actually makes such a pledge is acknowledging that they would, if the time arose, support a convicted felon. Either they are lying through their teeth making them unworthy of support, or by signing it, they reveal themselves to be unworthy of any further consideration.

And not just any felony. We are not talking about grand theft auto (the crime not the game).

We are potentially talking about someone who committed serious crimes against the United States, put their national security at risk, tried to orchestrate a coup, and has declared their intention to ignore the constitution of the United States.

That is who they are being asked to pledge their loyalty to.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And not just any felony. We are not talking about grand theft auto (the crime not the game).

We are potentially talking about someone who committed serious crimes against the United States, put their national security at risk, tried to orchestrate a coup, and has declared their intention to ignore the constitution of the United States.

That is who they are being asked to pledge their loyalty to.

Quite so, and as I said, nobody should vote for anyone who agrees to such a pledge.

Wake up, America -- you really are on the precipice!