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What do you think of astrology?

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
I personally don't believe in the theory that planets or stars hold the key to our future or have any influence in our daily lives.

I think the intent of Jyotish was more of a astronomical study rather then a astrological one.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It's always very difficult to judge any 'with astrological consultation' versus 'without astrological consultation' because you can't relive the past and do it the opposite of what you had done before.

The science is ancient and is based on observation of people. One might call it the great observation of people. Some rishis long ago suspected something was up with a relationship so recorded birthdates, found similarities etc,, and developed the science from long term observation of people, not stars.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
It's always very difficult to judge any 'with astrological consultation' versus 'without astrological consultation' because you can't relive the past and do it the opposite of what you had done before.

The science is ancient and is based on observation of people. One might call it the great observation of people. Some rishis long ago suspected something was up with a relationship so recorded birthdates, found similarities etc,, and developed the science from long term observation of people, not stars.

That's a whole new twist to it. That people.born in close proximity of each other will have similarities. I can see it. Same season, same monthly Holidays, etc etc it would lead to a lot of similar characteristics. I am more or less of the opinion that the location of stars (which probably went super nova already) and planets and where we THINK they are in relation to our birthday has little sway on our lives.
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
That's a whole new twist to it. That people.born in close proximity of each other will have similarities. I can see it. Same season, same monthly Holidays, etc etc it would lead to a lot of similar characteristics. I am more or less of the opinion that the location of stars (which probably went super nova already) and planets and where we THINK they are in relation to our birthday has little sway on our lives.
Even in the case of identical twins who would have a very similar chart...separated by a few minutes, but those twins have entirely different Karmas and entirely different, separate lives...

Then, all of that goes into 'my head hurts' territory, when you consider the case of Abigail and Brittany...conjoined dicephalous twins sharing one body.

Try applying Karmic Law to that one....and go totally insane doing it...

Om Namah Shivay
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I think the intent of Jyotish was more of a astronomical study rather then a astrological one.
Talk of astronomy, Indian were among the best at it, they are still good at it. That should have been the line followed by us. But then the charlatans and the superstitious, how could they leave the opportunity to milk people.

Though I am from a 'karma-kandi' family. We matched horoscopes for others for marriage. But in our community we do not match horoscopes for marriage, showing that we knew it was a hoax.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Astrology may be more of a marker of time (based on location of stars, instead of using a watch or other means) rather than stars and their Masters existing alone in a vacuum.

What do I mean by that?

Well, we as humans celebrate certain anniversaries typically based on a date-time schematic. For example, some historic battle that occured on date-day-time. In this scenario, let's say it was humans engaged in great struggle, let us say it was Greeks in battle with Persians thousands of years ago on a field of battle in Peloponnesia. The armies on each side engaged in horrific arm to arm conflict with death in the air and minds in an altered state where each hour, each minute, then each second moves in slow motion and some sort of invisible yet almost visible appiration is moving everywhere and on the horizon. A collective mind exists among ranks of young men who are "led" by old men. Suddenly, almost and perhaps by the shear existence of this now living and very real collective mind which has come to life and is now living on the battlefield, men start to see Apollo. Apollo is moving now. Men are falling, left, right, others passing over, under, the day is now colored an odd yellow, the night an odd blue. Before all is over, the impact of each man and each moment was so living yet so permeating in the air, tree, ground, it writes grooves not understood into the stones at the very place. Almost like grooves in a vinyl record.

The anniversary of that moment is remembered each date-day-time in a cycle. All those who do, they also have some sort of collective mind. Then they are like a needle on a record player. It touches the grooves, and it plays the record. It also effects all those involved however subtle in a shared way. Now multiple people are sharing something that effects their consciousness and behavior in a shared manner all because of something that happened before on some sort of time clockwork.

Across the universe and time, many things have happened, and more to come. So much so, we do not know it all. But when you were born, something did, it is an anniversary. It may not have happened here. It doesn't matter. Many things determine your moment of birth, and that very moment is also some sort of clockwork in time and some sort of anniversary. Suras and Devatas rule areas and planets. They too, may have been there at that minute or moment of that anniversary. Cycles and positions of stars can put the face of a clock on the clockwork. You share that anniversary with others, and when that clock face matches another the next moment, yet again you share another anniversary. The needle touches the record and plays. All those in that shared collective hear a "song". Your participation effects your consciousness and all those you share that anniversary in a shared way. You also start forming a mass consciousness. Apollo then moves. Or Kartikeya. You share a conscious effect. You may all start to sing along, some soft, some loud.

It might be like that.

Om Namah Sivaya
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
I learned something the other day and I don't know how it applies to Hinduism...

Over the next 2 years, we shall be experiencing what is known as a 'Lunar Tetrad'.

This means, that every six months for the next 2 years, on the dot, there's going to be a total lunar eclipse that sends the moon a deep, blood red.

There is significance for this in Judaism, being that the Tetrad falls on Easter and fits in with their 'big changes are gonna happen' calendar.

I'm just wondering if this has any effect on Hinduism at all....curious.

Om Namah Shivaya
 

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist

I have no idea. I'm not really into jyotiSh. :p
Thank you JS.

I have been reading up on it (seeing as how I thought I'd get no replies here) and I found out why I am not...

Lunar/Solar eclipses aren't really a big deal to Hindus and mean nothing beyond the Rahu/Ketu tale, it being a more 'auspicious time' to worship God and that pregnant ladies should avoid going out in them.

So, I got my answer, but personally, I see this astronomical event as being very significant for some reason and I don't know why.

Om Namah Shivaya
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Lunar/Solar eclipses aren't really a big deal to Hindus and mean nothing beyond the Rahu/Ketu tale, it being a more 'auspicious time' to worship God and that pregnant ladies should avoid going out in them.

Must vary by school then, because all the Tamil temples I know close during eclipses for being inauspicious.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste IllyKilly

Yes I know my Nakshatra and other information, yes all this I have in Indian Astrology charts I have for myself and family and yes I have an account with a personal Indian Jyotish (tylically the fees are $100 dollars per request).

Yes I follow what the temples do as far as eclipse, etc., and the pujaris often ask for some pf my information for pujas etc..

Actually, for those who want to learn this jyotish skill set (not me, I am a customer and not a jyotish astrologer), including Westerners, this may be a nice source of income and interest and business. Some can be successful, but you need to build a track record.

I also like using gemstones.

Om Namah Sivaya
 
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