What do you think of Paul the Apostle?

[IsraelMoses]

IsraelMoses said:
"Honor the Apostles, Follow Jesus." is what I was given, concerning the Apostle Paul and as God said, at another time, "He gave his life."
Many derogatory things said about the man who did many things to promote the Gospel of Jesus.

While I appreciate one's response; mustn't in that case the word "gospel" would have been used without capitalization, please, right?
Israel Moses wrote "Gospel of Jesus" not " gospel of Jesus", right, please?

Regards

When referring to Jesus, His Way, His Gospel, not the gospels of the Apostles, of which there are just 4, I give His Gospel credit where it is due, as in many bibles, only one Holy Bible. I don't refer to the Christian bible as the bible. For those who know, it is not common and should not be treated, as such.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

When referring to Jesus, His Way, His Gospel, not the gospels of the Apostles, of which there are just 4, I give His Gospel credit where it is due, as in many bibles, only one Holy Bible. I don't refer to the Christian bible as the bible. For those who know, it is not common and should not be treated, as such.

This is a kind of nitpicky thing, but it needs to be mentioned. Generally speaking, when you speak of the "good news" of Jesus, aka his gospel, it is normative not to capitalize. When you capitalize Gospel, this makes it a proper noun, and refers to books written about Jesus' life. The fact that you capitalized Gospel of Jesus caused a lot of confusion. I thought you were referring to some unnamed manuscript by that name.

Carry on

 

[paarsurrey]

This is a kind of nitpicky thing, but it needs to be mentioned. Generally speaking, when you speak of the "good news" of Jesus, aka his gospel, it is normative not to capitalize. When you capitalize Gospel, this makes it a proper noun, and refers to books written about Jesus' life. The fact that you capitalized Gospel of Jesus caused a lot of confusion. I thought you were referring to some unnamed manuscript by that name.

Carry on

I agree with one about the above.

Regards

 

[IsraelMoses]

Paul and not having a Revelation of Jesus ???
Paul had an abundance of enemies on both sides of the fence, Jews and Gentiles and to think he converted for his own glory ???

 

[paarsurrey]

Paul and not having a Revelation of Jesus ???
Paul had an abundance of enemies on both sides of the fence, Jews and Gentiles and to think he converted for his own glory ???

" having a Revelation of Jesus "

(Jesus) Yeshua never claimed to have authored/written/dictate the "Book of Revelation", did he, please?
If yes, then please, quote from him in first person and in an ambiguous, unequivocal and clear terms, please, right?

Regards

 

[IndigoChild5559]

" having a Revelation of Jesus "

(Jesus) Yeshua never claimed to have authored/written/dictate the "Book of Revelation", did he, please?
If yes, then please, quote from him in first person and in an ambiguous, unequivocal and clear terms, please, right?

Regards

While I agree with you that Jesus never wrote Revelation or anything else for that matter, there is an underlying assumption that I'm picking up in your posts that I have to disagree with. You seem to think that someone you believe to be a prophet can only write their own book. That is groundless. Israel had many prophets who never wrote anything. Elijah for example. And Elisha. And I mean those are pretty major prophets. What we know of them is from what others wrote about them. Please right?

 

[IsraelMoses]

Paul and not having a revelation of Jesus ???
Paul had an abundance of enemies on both sides of the fence, Jews and Gentiles and to think he converted for his own glory ???

 

[IsraelMoses]

"Honor the Apostles, Follow Jesus." is what I was given, concerning the Apostle Paul and as God said, at another time, "He gave his life."
Many derogatory things said about the man who did many things to promote the gospel of Jesus.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Paul and not having a revelation of Jesus ???
Paul had an abundance of enemies on both sides of the fence, Jews and Gentiles and to think he converted for his own glory ???

Did you realize that this is a duplicate of post #84?

BTW, your first sentence is pretty iffy. I think you meant to say "Didn't Paul have a revelation of Jesus?"

 

[IndigoChild5559]

"Honor the Apostles, Follow Jesus." is what I was given, concerning the Apostle Paul and as God said, at another time, "He gave his life."
Many derogatory things said about the man who did many things to promote the gospel of Jesus.

Here is a second duplicate. You originally uploaded this as post #26. Are you doing this deliberately (which is called spamming) or is the site having technical problems?

 

[IsraelMoses]

The only thing changed was the capitals in the words revelation and the word gospel. I reverence the Saviour and tend to capitalize where others would not, which cause, I see, confusion for some.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

While I agree with you that Jesus never wrote Revelation or anything else for that matter, there is an underlying assumption that I'm picking up in your posts that I have to disagree with. You seem to think that someone you believe to be a prophet can only write their own book. That is groundless. Israel had many prophets who never wrote anything. Elijah for example. And Elisha. And I mean those are pretty major prophets. What we know of them is from what others wrote about them. Please right?

Just a question.

There is a concept in Islam that not all prophets are messengers. Some came with revelation and others didn’t.
I dont know if there a similar concept in Christianity and Judaism?

 

[IsraelMoses]

Only a true prophet, determined by the validity of his/her prophetic word or a false prophet, which in the case of Jonah, some would say what he said was false. I say a prophetic word can change, especially if there is a repentance.

I have no idea where this came from, about something, I said ???
You seem to think that someone you believe to be a prophet can only write their own book.

 

[Spice]

Just a question.

There is a concept in Islam that not all prophets are messengers. Some came with revelation and others didn’t.
I dont know if there a similar concept in Christianity and Judaism?

My understanding is that "prophet" in religious matters, is a term used for "God inspired wisdom." Yes, it may involve speculation on the future, but not as thought of with psychics. It would be more in relationship of Jesus's wisdoms in pre-revolution Judea. "Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's"; "visit those in prison, feed the hungry, care for the widows..."; "you cannot serve two masters"; etc. Jesus was trying to prepare the masses for the new disporia to come if the unrest did not settle and the people return their focus to God instead of what Rome was up to, IMO.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was uneasy with him as a Christian. Jesus said not to trust anyone coming after him, and Paul contradicts him quite a lot. Like how Jehovah commanded many times over amd again to be fruitful and multiply, Paul says it's best to be like him and not married.
Today I read it and understand why, that I'm reading a confused, angry, hot and cold...those parts it's suspected and widely believed it's not actually Paul who wrote them.
Overall, what's attributed to him, it's like the rest of thr Bible in theres good and there bad. He is terribly misogynist. But he reinforces not judging others and accepting your own sins.

 

[IsraelMoses]

These discussions hinge on what the scholars, scribes translated ? I have learned not to rely on the comments of others about something so important. God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does talk.

Only a true prophet, determined by the validity of his/her prophetic word or a false prophet, which in the case of Jonah, some would say what he said was false. I say a prophetic word can change, especially if there is a repentance.

I have no idea where this came from, about something, I said ???
You seem to think that someone you believe to be a prophet can only write their own book.

 

[IsraelMoses]

My understanding is that "prophet" in religious matters, is a term used for "God inspired wisdom." Yes, it may involve speculation on the future, but not as thought of with psychics. It would be more in relationship of Jesus's wisdoms in pre-revolution Judea. "Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's"; "visit those in prison, feed the hungry, care for the widows..."; "you cannot serve two masters"; etc. Jesus was trying to prepare the masses for the new disporia to come if the unrest did not settle and the people return their focus to God instead of what Rome was up to, IMO.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Just a question.

There is a concept in Islam that not all prophets are messengers. Some came with revelation and others didn’t.
I dont know if there a similar concept in Christianity and Judaism?

In Judaism, there are prophets, which are human beings who receive dreams and visions and speak for God (usually to chew us out for not obeying him). There are also "malakhim" aka messengers, which usually get translated as angels. I don't know enough about Islam to know if those words mean the same for them.

 

[IsraelMoses]

Prophet Agabus, New Testament was given a revelation that Apostle Paul, the owner of the girdle would be bound. There are new Testment Prophets, as there are Apostles, today. That office is needed today. If the churches would have allowed, the Apostles would have kept the various denominations all on the same page with their doctrines, except for the radical Christians, of course. Past, present and future revelations all included in God's designated Prophets. When you have the opportunity to experience one, in the right church, you'll know it's from God. Some point to scripture, that there are no more Prophets today and that there were only 12 Apostles, a sad understanding. To learn, to grow in knowledge, you have to choose to believe somebody. Betty and Barney Hill, some chose to write their story off, until it was revealed that Betty, under hypnosis was able to draw a map of the planets where they were taken. They found out that she could not have drawn the map from being on earth. They had to be in outer space

 

[wellwisher]

Luke 12:51-52. Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.…

Paul was the perfect choice to fulfill that prophesy. Even in this modern forum discussion, the division effect still works when you mention Paul. What better way to test blessed are the humble and the peace makers.

The world was not ready for the kingdom of Jesus at the time of Jesus. What was needed was a remediation period and Paul fit the bill. Jesus promises to leave behind the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Truth, which the world cannot receive. The reason it cannot receive is due to law. Law created another master that made it hard to deviate for the Spirit.

This brings us back to law, which was the way of the world then, as now. If you have specific laws or commandments to follow; spiritual and/or civil, and the Spirit was to inspire you, and you had to deviate, who do you follow? This is part of the division that was created. Those under law are the children of the bondwoman or slaves to the law, with no freedom to make that choice of the Spirit. They will deny the spirit, if it does not go by their law. The children of the promise are not under law, but are free to listen to the Spirit guide them. That was why Paul rubbed people the wrong way, since he appears to be breaking all the rules, by showing his faith in the Spirit. It bucked the law.

Matthew 12:30-32: Jesus Said, "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Those who preferred the law, by who may have had the Spirit, blasphemed the Spirit, if the Spirit did not follow the law. If they had broken the law to please the spirit that was forgivable. Paul is all over the place, since that is how he had to act to follow the spirit, since he was not a slave to law, any law. If God tells you something through the spirit, you don't put him on hold, and ask a police officer. You do it and even if you pay a fine this will be forgiven.

Jesus summarize his version of the law; Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

To love God, after the promise of the Spirit, meant you could not deny the living Spirit/God if you were moved, even if it is against the law, since those laws were secondary or they all hang on those two commandments; hang below. The new law of God is simple.

Love your neighbor as yourself may require tough love, confidence building and not just indulgence. Paul becoming all things to all men was his was his way of expresses his love with universal empathy. It rubs those under the law the wrong way, since the Spirit is seen as a metaphor and not an actual inspiring phenomena.