What do You Think Science is...

[Sheldon]

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Lol bro, killing fully formed babies in the womb just because and you tell me lack of integrity.

It's not a baby, and your straw man fallacies are setting some sort of record now, "bro"...

You also claimed that such matters should be between a patient and a doctor, when it suited your anti vaccination propaganda, now the goal posts are shifting so quickly it's dizzying.

 

[ppp]

If that’s how you feel then you have nothing to say to anyone about anything.

I have nothing to say about anything because I say you have nothing relevant to say about a situation in which you have already acknowledged that your opinion has no place. Goodness.

 

[rational experiences]

Science said I want.

A Man one inventor leader theist said I want.

Men his brothers bullies said I agree we want also.

Natural everything one type of anything existed.

Mass only owned lots of one type.

Humans are not fused together as mass is. Theists lied. Mass in science is first. Status humans science.

Science takes from fused mass itself by thesis and intent. Science.

So you look at any body type and name it as a human. Still do.

So you pretend you are the creator naming any created portion in creation yourselves. And coerce as the bully group. Always have.

Liars.

It's liars who kill all life on earth as truth is one status only.

Natural presence is created is the only truth.

Yet still you B.S.

The atom one only. One.

You take a mass of atoms fixed inside mass. Sciences God the atom one. Sciences destruction LOTS.

God the fused body. The mass is not any separated atom. Body type the teaching one of anything the all.

So you lie. Pretty basic human story to humans about humans. Scientists lied.

God is whole forms. By any one place body type.

Science looks at DNA not any whole human. You see a human you look at a human you say human by one whole body type human. What you see is. Meaning words made the claim.

Science hence said so IS a worded reference must be powerful. Is the type of mind reality argues against.

He said Is Is. Then tries to make a formula about it. Is as is said it is what it is as any one type not the same. As a conscious quip. As human minds were angered annoyed at his constant coercive science lying.

One was a teaching that science looks to separate destroy by partiality. Lying.

Whole forms seen first is the only one owner.

As a human sees dust the one whole form is dust.

As it is a human only questioning all things.

What you see one form is all of form is its owned whole forms.

As no man invented by a thesis formula any presence.

Sex in human life became his adult father's man sin given to life inherited by human babies. Human... his owned ONLY teaching. Human.

When he says I want he never got. As you cannot place ownership where it was never first owned. By the body presence itself first in its natural placement.

As no scientist invented a human by a human thesis. Yet they pretend they did.

Review says a huge female fertile population body conceiving changed after taking the pill. Allowing medical research on ovaries to take place.

Human consciousness places by agreed psychic reckoning their natural aware self that scientific alienation of our life is by human science causes only.

The human putting a needle into where our baby life began. O ovary Who tries to take our conception out from our natural body. To claim I control it by science.

Is the rationale ....see your brother as who he is secretly in mind before he destroys us all. Secrets were thought secretly. Just in his head. He doesn't share publicly what he believes about himself the man scientist.

A holy conscious spiritual mind in life or a deceitful destroyer mind. Consciousness the biblical teaching warning no man is God.

Coercer an atom became in gods body mass a planet type. Then tries to rationalise and an atom came into your human body bio type like the planet.

Thinks he is correct.

So my body type was what first? As he claims it was converted into either a planet or a human by the same history.

Which is basically a lie.

However memory says when all bodies were attacked on earth as earth and humans it was a nuclear event a long time ago in just a scientists memories.

As he caused communicated his own life science memories into my female healer consciousness. I was taught the lies he kept secreted. As he taught me what being a human first man then theist second was.

Natural father first mother first not any theist.

Father first mother second.

Father then son science theist second. Overtaken conscious advice.

 

[rational experiences]

Then AI machine today. It nearly worked he says.

Father said ...
who he ignores ....
it nearly blew up as two machines first and second.

As he theories nothing first it ended as a sin hole. Nothing of earth God left. Equals formula answer.

His claim gods body was time transported.

Yet Multi theories he uses includes his biology as he claims I am the same substance as God. Never knew earth used as it's stone mass bio synthesis in light.

He lies.

He time transported using scientific data only claiming once he was an ape human.

Thinks it's real.

Inventor time shifting just a human by use machines releasing some sun mass radiation in earths God body mass within God... he uses in conversion.

Why trying to claim a Human has the substance within to convert mass is ludicrous.

Now he wants asteroid stars radiation greater mass. Time shifter body he stated.

Yet his earth machine is not a time transporter.

He says the alien asteroid amassed ta radiation is as the attack is.

So he built his machine as the time transporter so it tried to time transport. Owner earths mass that gets transported into conversion.

Then earth lost a machine mass as radiating mass as sin holes. Exact to his thesis I want.

Alchemy re used water.

Formula to make his machine from gods body disappear. It over heated.

He tries to believe it nearly worked.

Father said it was very close to blowing up.

Two variations yet one conscious truth ownership.

Proves science is only a humans purpose which is used against form existing by intent.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's not a baby, and your straw man fallacies are setting some sort of record now, "bro"...

You also claimed that such matters should be between a patient and a doctor, when it suited your anti vaccination propaganda, now the goal posts are shifting so quickly it's dizzying.

Really, so tell me are you for the vaccine mandates or letting the decision be up to patient and doctor?

 

[Sheldon]

Really, so tell me are you for the vaccine mandates or letting the decision be up to patient and doctor?

For, definitely for. As much as I'd like to let the dumbest conspiraloons fulfil their destiny, and collect a Darwin award, I'd rather they didn't take countless others with them.

 

[rational experiences]

If humans know anything they needed in life came from nature or earths minerals as natural balances how is medical science correct?

You are a human. I am a human.

You practice medical to assist your human family. You said once I invented tools that assisted repairing hurt bodies.

As nature owned all bio balances.

Science changed earths mass by machines introduced extra radiation.

Taught it as fallout

Nature struggles to supply us with remedial assistance. We needed minerals in dusts as mineral bodies in nature.

Science thesis radiating metal dusts not comparable.

And all you do is argue about what chemically patented manipulated substance is correct?

Can you scientist heal radiation?

No says all liars. Is the answer already.

Do you make fakery out of fakery?

Yes money never existed. I change nature to be rich. Total review fakery.

I don't actually work to save life. I am involved in a money making process. Otherwise I'd be just assisting humanity to my best circumstance.

No human. No biology. No illness occurring to the biology as it is owned direct by the biology. It's presence and its body type.

Theory no human first then you gain no human after as it is biologically destroyed.

Body owner.

Thesis a human biology is also involved in research how to have it removed.

 

[ElishaElijah]

For, definitely for. As much as I'd like to let the dumbest conspiraloons fulfil their destiny, and collect a Darwin award, I'd rather they didn't take countless others with them.

So you say it’s about health and protecting other people yet the vaccines don’t protect people from getting Covid or spreading it. Then there’s this:
https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/FB6DDD42-4755-4FDC-BEE9-50E402911E02

 

[rational experiences]

Humans do all comparing.

Rational.

Is a human a vaccine by injection?

No.

First a human claim aliens by history radiation only created a human?

Yes. Not just one believer...groups.

Radiation is exact is radiation only.

DNA national is a group anywhere. Psyche biology whole human.

Science posession as thoughts only.

Did the alien be typified as Injecting humanity?

Yes.

Wasn't that advice psychic on a conscious life mind in chemical attack a warning about human scientists and thesis?

Yes it was. In the human future owning correct chemical mineral.balances. .... aware not attacked anymore as the human being.

A human being before attack.
A human being during attack.

Science psyche made aware by a non scientist human. Told about the just a human scientist possessed choices.

 

[Sheldon]

So you say it’s about health and protecting other people yet the vaccines don’t protect people from getting Covid or spreading it.

I see, you don't think keeping people alive is protecting their health?

"In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 93.4% lower for people who had received a third dose, or booster, at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people."

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/FB6DDD42-4755-4FDC-BEE9-50E402911E02

Unevidenced hearsay, impressive... Wow, unnamed whistle-blowers, and random unsubstantiated claims, you're priceless. This was my favourite though...

"Female infertility – 472% increase" From your link...

Wow, the vaccine increased fertility by 472%

Have you even read that nonsense? A small child with a basic grasp of maths would be rolling its eyes, dear oh dear.

Well well, look at this:

Antivaxxers misuse the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database to demonize COVID-19 vaccines

 

[ppp]

So you say it’s about health and protecting other people yet the vaccines don’t protect people from getting Covid or spreading it. Then there’s this:
https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/FB6DDD42-4755-4FDC-BEE9-50E402911E02

You are referring to a senator for medical data

"My days of not taking you seriously have definitely come to a middle" -Malcolm Reynolds

 

[ElishaElijah]

I see, you don't think keeping people alive is protecting their health?

"In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 93.4% lower for people who had received a third dose, or booster, at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people."

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/FB6DDD42-4755-4FDC-BEE9-50E402911E02

Unevidenced hearsay, impressive... Wow, unnamed whistle-blowers, and random unsubstantiated claims, you're priceless. This was my favourite though...

"Female infertility – 472% increase" From your link...

Wow, the vaccine increased fertility by 472%

Have you even read that nonsense? A small child with a basic grasp of maths would be rolling its eyes, dear oh dear.

Well well, look at this:

Antivaxxers misuse the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database to demonize COVID-19 vaccines

Misuse VAERS too that’s monitored by CDC. Next thing when they can’t hide the vaccine adverse effects they will probably say to people, you weren’t forced and it was free. By the way do they even have Comirnaty yet, or is it obsolete?
It’s all a conspiracy theory, till it’s not

 

[ElishaElijah]

You are referring to a senator for medical data

His letter yes, looking forward to seeing what comes of this, so if it’s true about the adverse effects of the vaccine will be brought out in the open. Don’t you think that’s important for people to know?

 

[ppp]

His letter yes, looking forward to seeing what comes of this, so if it’s true about the adverse affects of the vaccine will be brought out in the open.

I have no idea why you think anyone should care What a senator says. I'm not interested in politics as a method of determining correct medical procedures. Give me the consensus of the international medical community. A senator is not qualified to have an opinion.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I have no idea why you think anyone should care What a senator says. I'm not interested in politics as a method of determining correct medical procedures. Give me the consensus of the international medical community. A senator is not qualified to have an opinion.

What medical community said to mandate vaccines, masks or lockdown your country? Who decided to censor half the medical community? A senator isn’t qualified to have an opinion? They pass the laws so they better know what’s going on and especially with military personnel.

 

[ppp]

What medical community said to mandate vaccines, masks or lockdown your country?

Mandating COVID-19 Vaccination for Health Care Workers | Annals of Internal Medicine
(Listed Alphabetically)


Academy of Neonatal Nursing (ANN)

Academy of Managed Care Pharmacy (AMCP)

American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing (AAACN)

American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology (AAAAI)

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP)

American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)

American Academy of Neurology (AAN)

American Academy of Nursing (AAN)

American Academy of Ophthalmology (AAO)

American Academy of PAs (AAPA)

American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)

American Association of Clinical Endocrinology (AACE)

American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN)

American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy (AACP)

American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM)

American Association of Neuroscience Nurses (AANN)

American Association for Respiratory Care (AARC)

American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (ACAAI)

American College of Chest Physicians (CHEST)

American College of Clinical Engineering (ACCE)

American College of Clinical Pharmacy (ACCP)

American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP)

American College of Gastroenterology (ACG)

American College of Medical Genetics and Genomics (ACMG)

American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT)

American College of Mohs Surgery (ACMS)

American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)

American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians (ACOFP)

American College of Physicians (ACP)

American College of Preventive Medicine (ACPM)

American College of Surgeons (ACS)

American Epilepsy Society (AES)

American Gastroenterological Association (AGA)

American Geriatrics Society (AGS)

American Medical Association (AMA)

American Medical Women's Association (AMWA)

American Nurses Association (ANA)

American Nurses Association - Illinois (ANA - Illinois)

American Occupational Therapy Association (AOTA)

American Osteopathic Association (AOA)

American Pharmacists Association (APhA)

American Psychiatric Association (APA)

American Psychological Association (APA)

American Public Health Association (APHA)

American Society for Clinical Pathology (ASCP)

American Society for Gastrointestinal Endoscopy (ASGE)

American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO)

American Society for Transplantation and Cellular Therapy (ASTCT)

American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP)

American Society of Hematology (ASH)

American Society of Nephrology (ASN)

American Thoracic Society (ATS)

Association of Bioethics Program Directors (ABPD)

Association for Clinical Oncology (ASCO)

Association of Pediatric Hematology/Oncology Nurses (APHON)

Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology (APIC)

Association of Academic Health Centers (AAHC)

Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC)

Association of Rehabilitation Nurses (ARN)

Connecticut Nurses Association (CNA)

Council of Medical Specialty Societies (CMSS)

Delaware Nurses Association (DNA)

Emergency Medicine Residents' Association (EMRA)

Emergency Nurses Association (ENA)

Hematology/Oncology Pharmacy Association (HOPA)

HIV Medicine Association

Illinois Pharmacists Association (IPhA)

Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA)

LeadingAge

Medical Society of Virginia (MSV)

Missouri State Medical Association (MSMA)

National Association of Indian Nurses of America (NAINA)

National Association of Pediatric Nurse Practitioners (NAPNAP)

National Council of Asian Pacific Islander Physicians (NCAPIP)

National Council of State Boards of Nursing (NCSBN)

National Hispanic Medical Association (NHMA)

National League for Nursing (NLN)

National Medical Association (NMA)

National Pharmaceutical Association (NPhA)

New Hampshire Medical Society (NHMS)

New Hampshire Nurses Association (NHNA)

New Mexico Medical Society (NMMS)

Nurses Who Vaccinate (NWV)

Organization for Associate Degree Nursing (OADN)

Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society (PIDS)

Philippine Nurses Association of America, Inc (PNAA)

Society of Emergency Medicine Physician Assistants (SEMPA)

Society of Gynecologic Oncology (SGO)

Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America (SHEA)

Society for Immunotherapy of Cancer (SITC)

Society of Hospital Medicine (SHM)

Society of Infectious Diseases Pharmacists (SIDP)

Society of Interventional Radiology (SIR)

South Carolina Nurses Association (SCNA)

Texas Nurses Association (TNA)

The John A. Hartford Foundation

Transcultural Nursing Society (TCNS)

Vermont Medica Society (VMS)

Virgin Islands State Nurses Association (VISNA)

Wound, Ostomy, and Continence Nurses Society (WOCN)

 

[ElishaElijah]

Mandating COVID-19 Vaccination for Health Care Workers | Annals of Internal Medicine
(Listed Alphabetically)


Academy of Neonatal Nursing (ANN)

Academy of Managed Care Pharmacy (AMCP)

American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing (AAACN)

American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology (AAAAI)

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP)

American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)

American Academy of Neurology (AAN)

American Academy of Nursing (AAN)

American Academy of Ophthalmology (AAO)

American Academy of PAs (AAPA)

American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)

American Association of Clinical Endocrinology (AACE)

American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN)

American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy (AACP)

American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM)

American Association of Neuroscience Nurses (AANN)

American Association for Respiratory Care (AARC)

American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (ACAAI)

American College of Chest Physicians (CHEST)

American College of Clinical Engineering (ACCE)

American College of Clinical Pharmacy (ACCP)

American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP)

American College of Gastroenterology (ACG)

American College of Medical Genetics and Genomics (ACMG)

American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT)

American College of Mohs Surgery (ACMS)

American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)

American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians (ACOFP)

American College of Physicians (ACP)

American College of Preventive Medicine (ACPM)

American College of Surgeons (ACS)

American Epilepsy Society (AES)

American Gastroenterological Association (AGA)

American Geriatrics Society (AGS)

American Medical Association (AMA)

American Medical Women's Association (AMWA)

American Nurses Association (ANA)

American Nurses Association - Illinois (ANA - Illinois)

American Occupational Therapy Association (AOTA)

American Osteopathic Association (AOA)

American Pharmacists Association (APhA)

American Psychiatric Association (APA)

American Psychological Association (APA)

American Public Health Association (APHA)

American Society for Clinical Pathology (ASCP)

American Society for Gastrointestinal Endoscopy (ASGE)

American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO)

American Society for Transplantation and Cellular Therapy (ASTCT)

American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP)

American Society of Hematology (ASH)

American Society of Nephrology (ASN)

American Thoracic Society (ATS)

Association of Bioethics Program Directors (ABPD)

Association for Clinical Oncology (ASCO)

Association of Pediatric Hematology/Oncology Nurses (APHON)

Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology (APIC)

Association of Academic Health Centers (AAHC)

Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC)

Association of Rehabilitation Nurses (ARN)

Connecticut Nurses Association (CNA)

Council of Medical Specialty Societies (CMSS)

Delaware Nurses Association (DNA)

Emergency Medicine Residents' Association (EMRA)

Emergency Nurses Association (ENA)

Hematology/Oncology Pharmacy Association (HOPA)

HIV Medicine Association

Illinois Pharmacists Association (IPhA)

Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA)

LeadingAge

Medical Society of Virginia (MSV)

Missouri State Medical Association (MSMA)

National Association of Indian Nurses of America (NAINA)

National Association of Pediatric Nurse Practitioners (NAPNAP)

National Council of Asian Pacific Islander Physicians (NCAPIP)

National Council of State Boards of Nursing (NCSBN)

National Hispanic Medical Association (NHMA)

National League for Nursing (NLN)

National Medical Association (NMA)

National Pharmaceutical Association (NPhA)

New Hampshire Medical Society (NHMS)

New Hampshire Nurses Association (NHNA)

New Mexico Medical Society (NMMS)

Nurses Who Vaccinate (NWV)

Organization for Associate Degree Nursing (OADN)

Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society (PIDS)

Philippine Nurses Association of America, Inc (PNAA)

Society of Emergency Medicine Physician Assistants (SEMPA)

Society of Gynecologic Oncology (SGO)

Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America (SHEA)

Society for Immunotherapy of Cancer (SITC)

Society of Hospital Medicine (SHM)

Society of Infectious Diseases Pharmacists (SIDP)

Society of Interventional Radiology (SIR)

South Carolina Nurses Association (SCNA)

Texas Nurses Association (TNA)

The John A. Hartford Foundation

Transcultural Nursing Society (TCNS)

Vermont Medica Society (VMS)

Virgin Islands State Nurses Association (VISNA)

Wound, Ostomy, and Continence Nurses Society (WOCN)

Then you have the comments:
Richard Paul Junghans, PhD, MDBoston University19 August 2021
Comment
Whereas vaccinating everyone in health care settings makes sense, there is a nuance to this situation with vaccine-averse people that can be exploited to everyone’s benefit.

Let’s say 50% are vaccinated and we want to get to 100%. We provide incentives, we threaten their jobs, and in general try to shame people as health care troglodytes to get their vaccinations done.

I want to appeal to the science, not politics, not morality, not expediency. That is, let us find the population that is truly at risk and reduce the focus to this subset. The population at risk are those who have neither been vaccinated nor infected. So far, public health agencies have chosen to ignore prior infectees and treated them the same as the susceptible population. This is a gross error and a missed opportunity.

In general, the consensus view is that natural immunity that arises from exposure to all viral proteins is superior to vaccine immunity with exposure to one viral protein. Vaccine Safety: Immune System and Health | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

Unfortunately, there is an abiding bias against the study of “natural immunity” from prior infection with covid-19 that is as mystifying as it is exasperating and that only benefits Pfizer et al profits selling more doses. Any honest, critical and objective valuation ranks natural immunity as good or likely better than the best of the vaccines. See

. For example, in the recent outbreak in a high exposure setting with miners in French Guiana, among 25 fully vaccinated, 15 were infected for a case rate of 60% breakthrough infection. Among all prior infectees, the re-infection rate was 0/6 (0%). The superiority of prior infection over vaccination was highly significant (p = 0.0177, Fisher exact test). See Breakthrough Infections of SARS-CoV-2 Gamma Variant in Fully Vaccinated Gold Miners, French Guiana, 2021 - PubMed.

Accordingly, I propose that all prior infectees be designated the same as vaccinated.

From April 2021, CDC data estimated 40% of the adult population was previously infected, with a much higher likely prevalence among front-line workers whom we disproportionately target with mandatory vaccination – whether in health care or other job classifications.

The impact? If we exempt prior infectees, this legitimately reduces the at-risk group from 50% down to 30% or 20%, much more manageable numbers. Any prior positive PCR, antigen or antibody test exempts them. Not everyone has proof of prior infection. But offering antibody testing to non-vaccinated employees will inform, and if positive, they are exempted. This has the further benefit of engaging the employee in his or her own health choices, and more likely to be agreeable to vaccination when offered after a negative test.

If we follow the science and avoid aggressive -- even classist – mandates that selectively impact the poorer economic classes with these threats, then this proposal to treat prior infectees as vaccinated is an easy choice, respectful without caprice or arbitrariness, and it follows the science, not politics. In this case, I predict this proposal will increase vaccine participation while also decreasing the social strains.

Most people are not anti-vaccine, they are anti-vaccine mandates and especially Covid vaccine mandates.
When asked why? The reasons are brought forth and the conversation starts to be about attacking the reasons instead of the mandates.

 

[ppp]

You asked me:

What medical community said to mandate vaccines, masks or lockdown your country?

And I gave you such a list. You don't even have the grace to acknowledge the fact that the medical community supports vaccine mandates. Was your request just a time-waster?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You asked me:

And I gave you such a list. You don't even have the grace to acknowledge the fact that the medical community supports vaccine mandates. Was your request just a time-waster?

Not at all and are you going to agree with the comment by Dr. Junghans? This is how science should work, do you agree with Dr. Junghans? He is communicating what people who are against the mandates for everyone have been saying and falling on deaf ears. So a time waster? Don’t know yet.
Some in the medical community supports mandates some don’t. Knowing what we do now about Covid I don’t know how anyone could support Covid vaccine mandates.

 

[metis]

Mine has always been health decisions between the individual and their Doctor.

I agree that it's best to go with what one's doctor suggests, so that's not an issue with me. However, that should the exception.

Just curious what age group was that?

It's not been specified in any of the sources I've seen, so it's probably across the board.