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What does each religion or belief system get right?

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Premium Member
What do you think each religion or belief system gets right?

I am including secular belief systems such as Humanism, Atheism and Agnosticism in this definition.

You may begin with your own religion/belief system if you like but you must go on to discuss at least one or two others different from your own.


1. Christianity - I think my religion gets guilt and human difficulty in 'perfectly living as we know we should' right. We've all had that feeling when you know, in your mind, that you ought to avoid something but bodily you just can't resist it? Or when you know that you should pursue a certain course of action that will make you a better person or improve your life/others lives for the better but you just can't be bothered or do the exact opposite? Why don't we do the things we know are good for us, while doing the things we know aren't good for us? St. Paul described this dilemma better than anyone else.

Romans 7: http://biblehub.com/bsb/romans/7.htm

"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do...for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do...For in my inner being I delight in God’s Law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!"

Christianity is very good at dealing with this situation of human weakness/propensity to sin/giving in to cravings and the attendant feelings of guilt/inadequacy that often come with it. We know we ought to eat less and exercise more, save and invest our money, stay away from troublesome lovers...yet we keep on eating more, exercising less, squandering our money on short-term pleasures and continuing to date troublesome lovers...This can make us feel like utter crap sometimes. Can we ever hope to break out of this cycle?

Christianity tells us, there's a get out of jail free clause. Through the saving grace of God, you can be redeemed by the incarnation and atonement of the God-Man Jesus, improve morally with the aid of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven/forgive yourself for these weaknesses. You can be reborn as a new person. Chin up!


2. Buddhism - Beyond doubt, this religion excels all others in responding effectively to the reality of suffering for all sentient beings. Through the Four Noble Truths, we learn something that I think we all know instinctively but that Buddhism articulates so profoundly: human desires are often frustrated which leads to suffering and this is compounded by the fact that everything is impermanent, as per the Three Marks of Existence. So if you cling to impermanent states, your going to get caught in an abysmal loop of endless suffering because your desires will all, ultimately, be frustrated. But good news - the Noble Eightfold Path gives you a way out. Non-attachment, not-self and some understanding of dependant origination and you can start on the path to liberation from "samsara".


3. Indigenous/Animism/Neo-Pagan - For me, these religions really remind us just how connected with and reliant we are upon the natural world. They also teach us to honour the ancestors who came before us and whose decisions have led to our very existence and ultimately the people we are. Respect for nature and our forbears, that's for me the number 1 thing these religions do best over others.


4. Jainism - This religion is the undisputed king of ahimsa: non-violence and universal compassion towards all sentient beings. More so than followers of any other belief system, Jains are committed to avoiding violence or harm to any living creatures without exception. Jainism also excels other religions in terms of tolerance and pluralism. The Jain doctrine of "non-one-sidedness" (Anekantavada) means that Jains believe reality to be perceived differently from diverse points of view, and that no single point of view is the complete truth, yet taken together they comprise the complete truth. This reminds us to be wary of reifying or absolutizing our own beliefs and ideals at the expense of others.


5. Judaism - This religion gets social critique, overriding concern for the weak/oppressed and practical wisdom notably right. The Tanakh brings us the revolutionary teachings of the Hebrew prophets, such as Isaiah and Micah, who condemn the exploitation of the poor and defenceless by the wealthy and powerful in society. Because this religion's overarching narrative is one of a Supreme Deity leading a persecuted, enslaved people out of servitude and into freedom in their own land, Judaism seems to me to have a unique compassion for the plight of the poor, foreigners, widows, orphans and all others who are accounted low in the world's eyes. There is a strong progressive message inherent in that story and its why Moses became a particular hero for African-Americans campaigning for equal civil rights in the 20th century. In addition, the Tanakh has brought us universal practical wisdom through the Books of Proverbs, Job and Ecclesiastes that can be applied to all manner of everyday living.


6. Islam - This religion is the most uncompromising in its commitment to monotheism and living according to the will of God, both individually and communally. I don't think there has ever been a more explicitly monotheistic religion. The simplicity of its central message - that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger - has led Islam to have an enduring appeal for millions of people worldwide. The Qur'an and Sunnah have 99 names for God that are quite possibly the most beautiful ever attributed to a deity in any religion.


7. Secular Humanism - This belief system shows us how to be ethical, rational and humanitarian while living free from every superstition or belief that isn't substantiated by science/logic. It does this better than any another.


More to come but that will do for now!
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
  • Buddhism - Middle line.
  • Taoism - There is no line.
  • Zen - Observe the lines to see the whole.
  • Yeshua - Narrow line.
  • :innocent:
Really tho, the place they're all right is on Oneness being the ultimate goal; 'the rest is just commentary'. ;)
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Well, the Catholic Church gets everything right as far as faith and morals go.

Another religion that gets most things right, but not all things, is the Eastern Orthodox Church. They get pretty much everything right but they do not get the papacy right. They also believe that contraception is acceptable in certain circumstances for preventing the conception of children. The Catholic Church only allows contraception to be used to treat a serious medical condition. The Catholic Church does not allow contraception to be used to prevent the conception of children.
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Well, the Catholic Church gets everything right as far as faith and morals go.

LOL. Is this the same Catholic Church I grew up in, that says if you're a kindly Jew who doesn't convert to Christianity, you'll burn in hell? The same Catholic Church that still employs Cardinal Bernard Law?!
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
In brief:
Buddhism- AHIMSA (non violence), karma (laws of action and reaction), deliberating on everything instead of following blind dogma and a balance between both extremes to be freed from desires

Vaishnavism-
The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one's existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity (of speech, sight, taste, etc) and simplicity; nonviolence (unless violence is the last resort to get things right), truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation (of fruits of action), tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.
-Bhagavad Gita 16:1-3
With that we also do believe in karma, reincarnation, Moksha and understanding the truth with the yogas given in the gita.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I mean, in your eyes, what does it teach that you agree with.

Thanks for the clarification. :)

I don't really focus on what religions teach or believe, so I'll only focus on the ones that do. (My own is, in fact, not going to be listed here.)

I pretty much agree with most of what the Buddha taught (though I'm still indefinitely unsure about rebirth), but I don't identify as Buddhist because I don't practice the Eightfold Path.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
From a Vaishnava pov there's virtually nothing you can do that God will not forgive, hold a grudge for, not redeem or condemn you for. Even if you have the deepest hatred for God, in the end, you'll be redeemed. Consider the story of Hiranyakashipu and Narasimha. Hiranyakashipu was a powerful king who had a deep, intense, abiding hatred and jealousy of Vishnu for his (Hiranyakashipu's) son's dedication to Vishnu. To the point he sought ways to kill his own son. To put an end to the threats to his devotee Vishnu took the form of Narasimha, half man, half lion (why that form is another story). Lord Narasimha violently killed Hiranyakashipu by disembowelment (see my current avatar). However, Vishnu redeemed Hiranyakashipu, because in his hatred for Vishnu, Hiranyakashipu always had Vishnu in his thoughts. God only asks that his devotees think of him, nothing more. I think that's pretty right. ;)
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
What do you think each religion or belief system gets right?

I am including secular belief systems such as Humanism, Atheism and Agnosticism in this definition.

You may begin with your own religion/belief system if you like but you must go on to discuss at least one or two others different from your own.


1. Christianity - I think my religion gets guilt and human difficulty in 'perfectly living as we know we should' right. We've all had that feeling when you know, in your mind, that you ought to avoid something but bodily you just can't resist it? Or when you know that you should pursue a certain course of action that will make you a better person or improve your life/others lives for the better but you just can't be bothered or do the exact opposite? Why don't we do the things we know are good for us, while doing the things we know aren't good for us? St. Paul described this dilemma better than anyone else.

Romans 7: http://biblehub.com/bsb/romans/7.htm

"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do...for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do...For in my inner being I delight in God’s Law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!"

Christianity is very good at dealing with this situation of human weakness/propensity to sin/giving in to cravings and the attendant feelings of guilt/inadequacy that often come with it. We know we ought to eat less and exercise more, save and invest our money, stay away from troublesome lovers...yet we keep on eating more, exercising less, squandering our money on short-term pleasures and continuing to date troublesome lovers...This can make us feel like utter crap sometimes. Can we ever hope to break out of this cycle?

Christianity tells us, there's a get out of jail free clause. Through the saving grace of God, you can be redeemed by the incarnation and atonement of the God-Man Jesus, improve morally with the aid of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven/forgive yourself for these weaknesses. You can be reborn as a new person. Chin up!


2. Buddhism - Beyond doubt, this religion excels all others in responding effectively to the reality of suffering for all sentient beings. Through the Four Noble Truths, we learn something that I think we all know instinctively but that Buddhism articulates so profoundly: human desires are often frustrated which leads to suffering and this is compounded by the fact that everything is impermanent, as per the Three Marks of Existence. So if you cling to impermanent states, your going to get caught in an abysmal loop of endless suffering because your desires will all, ultimately, be frustrated. But good news - the Noble Eightfold Path gives you a way out. Non-attachment, not-self and some understanding of dependant origination and you can start on the path to liberation from "samsara".


3. Indigenous/Animism/Neo-Pagan - For me, these religions really remind us just how connected with and reliant we are upon the natural world. They also teach us to honour the ancestors who came before us and whose decisions have led to our very existence and ultimately the people we are. Respect for nature and our forbears, that's for me the number 1 thing these religions do best over others.


4. Jainism - This religion is the undisputed king of ahimsa: non-violence and universal compassion towards all sentient beings. More so than followers of any other belief system, Jains are committed to avoiding violence or harm to any living creatures without exception. Jainism also excels other religions in terms of tolerance and pluralism. The Jain doctrine of "non-one-sidedness" (Anekantavada) means that Jains believe reality to be perceived differently from diverse points of view, and that no single point of view is the complete truth, yet taken together they comprise the complete truth. This reminds us to be wary of reifying or absolutizing our own beliefs and ideals at the expense of others.


5. Judaism - This religion gets social critique, overriding concern for the weak/oppressed and practical wisdom notably right. The Tanakh brings us the revolutionary teachings of the Hebrew prophets, such as Isaiah and Micah, who condemn the exploitation of the poor and defenceless by the wealthy and powerful in society. Because this religion's overarching narrative is one of a Supreme Deity leading a persecuted, enslaved people out of servitude and into freedom in their own land, Judaism seems to me to have a unique compassion for the plight of the poor, foreigners, widows, orphans and all others who are accounted low in the world's eyes. There is a strong progressive message inherent in that story and its why Moses became a particular hero for African-Americans campaigning for equal civil rights in the 20th century. In addition, the Tanakh has brought us universal practical wisdom through the Books of Proverbs, Job and Ecclesiastes that can be applied to all manner of everyday living.


6. Islam - This religion is the most uncompromising in its commitment to monotheism and living according to the will of God, both individually and communally. I don't think there has ever been a more explicitly monotheistic religion. The simplicity of its central message - that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger - has led Islam to have an enduring appeal for millions of people worldwide. The Qur'an and Sunnah have 99 names for God that are quite possibly the most beautiful ever attributed to a deity in any religion.


7. Secular Humanism - This belief system shows us how to be ethical, rational and humanitarian while living free from every superstition or belief that isn't substantiated by science/logic. It does this better than any another.


More to come but that will do for now!


Would it not be more useful to list what they do not get right and eliminate those things on the list????
 

arthra

Baha'i
Well in my view most religions are really opposed to hate and violence even though there are some distortions used by those who try to exploit the power of religion to their own advantage...

The last meeting of the Parliament of World Religions had this to say in their "Faiths Against Hate" Program and initiated a "multi-tiered Faiths Against Hate campaign to transform fear and anger into peace, love, and interreligious harmony".

From the site:

It is time the power of interfaith works to transform fear, anger and hatred into positive human relationships.

Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, and other minorities are increasingly targets of hate in America. These attacks are sanctioned by a political culture that tolerates hate speech and promotes xenophobia. In 2012, the Parliament of the World’s Religions recognized that hate was on the rise considering:

  • The number of active hate groups in the U.S. topped 1,000 for the first time (Southern Poverty Law Center)

  • The number of armed militias have doubled (TIME)

  • 2.5 million more Americans bought guns for the first time in 2011 (FBI)

  • President Obama is receiving 400% more death threats than President Bush (Secret Service)
https://parliamentofreligions.org/programs/faiths-against-hate-18

Baha'is generally support such programs and also operate a NGO office in Geneva that offers programs to United Nations.

see:

https://www.bic.org/
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This to me is an interesting question. My answer is that in spite of the different words used, the apparently different beliefs and the differing emphases, what all get right are fundamental ideas of love, compassion, justice, beauty and truth.
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Paganism - There are a variety of Paganisms that each have different approaches. In general though, I find Paganism tends to emphasize finding your own path, discovering your own moral code and reflecting on how each living and non-living thing is interconnected. I feel that this focus on working things out yourself and accepting that others may view things differently is one of the primary strengths of many Pagan paths.

Satanism - Of all the religions out there, it's Satanism that probably offers the most realistic description of what humanity is. It doesn't gloss over our inner darkness or our carnal impulses, nor does it condemn them. Satanism shows us the animal that man is.

Christianity - Like Paganism, there are numerous strains of Christianity, each with different focuses. Personally, I consider the best forms of Christianity to be those that emphasize charity, caring for the vulnerable and sharing with those in need. If Satanism depicts man as he is, then these forms of Christianity depict man as he could be. Realism vs Idealism.

Atheism - Yet another group with a huge array of philosophies on offer. Here, I'll focus on what I'll call "rational atheism" or atheism as a result of the application of critical thinking and skepticism. It can be too easy to accept what we're told at face value, but these atheists remind us that we need to question what's presented to us.
 

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
Hinduism encompasses a lot of very compelling ideas about theology and metaphysics and is a really vibrant living tradition.

Jainism features an ethical system that fully treats plants as living beings in the same manner as animals (including humans). I find this admirable in its consistency.

Taoism expresses the full mystery of existence very well. Taoist philosophy presents a simple but nuanced worldview that encourages human freedom and ecological awareness.

Judaism extols writing, studying and constructive debate, and has preserved its cultural traditions and identity over thousands of years of persecution.

The Left-Hand Path promotes pride and individualism in place of shame and repression.

I have been researching Heathenry and practicing it on and off since last summer. I'm drawn to it because it combines my favorite aspects of many of these religions. It supports pride, courage, and the pursuit of knowledge, but also strongly values community and the natural world. I also like the openness of polytheism, which does not require one's own religion to be "truer" than anyone else's in a sense. One could talk about these traits in the context of revivalist paganism more generally, which is where I tend to cast my lot.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
For my response, I will list five religions/philosophies:

#1. Christianity

I, like many individuals in the US, was brought up in the religion of Christianity. One of the central points of this religion is that of sacrifice, especially that of self. I find this a beautiful concept for the simple fact that humility (which is an honorable character trait) is, to me, the most powerful form of self-sacrifice there is. One sidelines his or her own importance and defers to others. Simply beautiful.

#2. Paganism

Paganism, in its many paths, is a group of religions which seem focused on our connection with nature, as well as the multiplicity and imminence of the Divine. They teach us that Deity is an everyday experience. It's truly awe-inspiring.

#3. Buddhism

There is a reason why the ‘Four Noble Truths’ are called ‘Truths’. They are common sense: suffering is inherent in life; suffering is caused by desire; there is a way to end desire; the Eightfold Path is that way. I don't believe there is a single individual who, upon serious reflection of these, will disagree.

#4. Sikhi

This particular religion, as a Bahá'í, I feel the most affinity for other than my own. Like my own, Sikhi is monotheistic and contains explicit exhortations from its Founder and (resultingly) Scriptures to respect other religions. Something unique, the Guru Granth Sahib is composed of not only the Writings of the Gurus, but also of individuals from other religions, specifically Hindu and Muslim saints. No other religion – not even mine – can say this! This, I absolutely adore.

#5. The Bahá'í Faith

Of course, I'm going to sing of the glories of my own faith, last but not least! The Bahá'í Faith is a monotheistic religion, it is an Abrahamic religion. As such, though, it truly serves to smash the popular misconceptions about Abrahamic religions. What started as the continuation of a prior movement within Shi'a Islam has become the second-most widespread independent religion on the planet, and in 153 years, no less! That's astounding! The Bahá'í Faith also lends itself extremely well to analogy. One of the most beautiful ideas in the Faith is that of the unity of Religion: all religions in general are inspired of God, and different facets of the “changeless, eternal Faith of God”. Proceeding from this is the Bahá'í Teaching of Progressive Revelation: the major Religions of the world (along with their Scriptures and Founders/Major Figures) are Revelations from God. The Founders/Major Figures of those Religions are Messengers of God, or as we know them ‘Manifestations of the Names and Attributes of God’. Their Scriptures are His Word Revealed to Humankind, in various times and places! This is also a very beautiful concept!
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Augustine get rights right the balance between obeying God's word by leaning on God's power in helping you do it


“Oh God, grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire,”
Augustine of Hippo
 
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