What Does "Feminism" Mean to You?

[Shuddhasattva]

I'm saddened by the idea that one ought champion the cause of some particular gender merely because one is part. This isn't human concern, this is really rooted in self concern.

If such a panel existed, I would hope that women and men, on a platform of humanism, oppose it, just as ought oppose all of the inequalities and injustices of the world.

 

[Revoltingest]

There are masculinists who don't believe in marital rape, since marriage is assumed to be a sexual contract between a man and his wife. Such views make me shudder and feel very unsafe.

If being a "feminist" is a positive thing, then couldn't being a "masculinist" be similarly positive?
I've heard of such terms being applied to those who seek equal rights for men in areas of child custody,
military draft, education, etc.

Note: There are some "feminists" who believe awful things, but I wouldn't fear all of them just cuz of
the agenda of the few.

 

[Skwim]

I'm rather curious what feminism means to different people. Please take a moment to describe what it means to you.

To me it signifies an assertion of equal rights.

 

[Alceste]

I'm saddened by the idea that one ought champion the cause of some particular gender merely because one is part. This isn't human concern, this is really rooted in self concern.

If such a panel existed, I would hope that women and men, on a platform of humanism, oppose it, just as ought oppose all of the inequalities and injustices of the world.

Should anti-poverty activists focus equal attention on the hardships of the rich?

FYI, many feminists are not female.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Should anti-poverty activists focus equal attention on the hardships of the rich?

Anti-poverty activists should focus attention, not necessarily equal, on the hardships of everyone, and do so in a way that does not alienate the rich, the chief source of transformational capital, and a great obstacle if they feel threatened.

Everyone must be enlisted in the project of baking a bigger pie, rather than carving out the biggest slice for their special interest group and/or themselves.

FYI, many feminists are not female.

All humanists are human.

 

[Me Myself]

There are masculinists who don't believe in marital rape, since marriage is assumed to be a sexual contract between a man and his wife. Such views make me shudder and feel very unsafe.

Should I also judge feminism by "there are feminists that..." ?

Because I´ve find plenty of spooky there. You´ll find "______ that..." in any ideology.

 

[Me Myself]

FYI, many feminists are not female.

Oh yes! I had a philosophy teacher that was a male and gave purposeful privilage to women in the class because they were not only "oppressed" in other places, but also "better than we, men"

He said he was an ardent feminist and that almost all forms in which male approach women were rapish .

 

[Sunstone]

Oh yes! I had a philosophy teacher that was a male and gave purposeful privilage to women in the class because they were not only "oppressed" in other places, but also "better than we, men"

Your philosophy professor does not represent any large denomination of feminists, in my experience.

 

[Me Myself]

Your philosophy professor does not represent any large denomination of feminists, in my experience.

Agreed, I´ve already conceded that one, but I do feel the need to say. Specially since people are alreadymaking arguments like "there are some masculists that..." and saying "there are some male feminists" as if that meant that feminism can only be male friendly

 

[Songbird]

Agreed, I´ve already conceded that one, but I do feel the need to say. Specially since people are alreadymaking arguments like "there are some masculists that..." and saying "there are some male feminists" as if that meant that feminism can only be male friendly

Well, it's nothing I can prove at the moment, but most of the websites/blogs I've searched for under the term "masculinism" weren't for men's rights as much as they were extremely misogynistic. (Like this one: angryharry.com - Number four in the results list when I typed "men's rights".) Misnomers abound, I suppose.

 

[ChristineES]

I think it started out with women who were tired of being the housekeepers of their homes and wanted to work outside the home after having to work during WWII, when the men were out to war- they liked the freedom, making their own money, etc. Men resisted it, after all, they were used to having a "happy homemaker" having a hot meal for them when they came home. Then later, women wanted to be paid the same as men. At least that was the idea, I think.

 

[idea]

... only cares to help women attain equality to men and it has nothing to do with achiving the opposite thing ...

yea,
25% Fewer Men Than Women Graduate College; Obama: It's

 

[Revoltingest]

yea,
25% Fewer Men Than Women Graduate College; Obama: It's

It's a great accomplishment that men are failing in college relative to women?

 

[idea]

I think it started out with women who were tired of being the housekeepers of their homes and wanted to work outside the home ...

leading to kids being raised in child care centers... I think it's sad that for some, their career is more important than their children.
http://www.child-encyclopedia.com/pages/pdf/belskyangxp_rev-child_care.pdf

 

[idea]

It's a great accomplishment that men are failing in college relative to women?

no, it's not great, sorry, I should have specified that.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

leading to kids being raised in child care centers...
http://www.child-encyclopedia.com/pages/pdf/belskyangxp_rev-child_care.pdf

Or how about an increase in the number of stay-at-home dads? That's a good thing. :yes:

 

[Sunstone]

yea,
25% Fewer Men Than Women Graduate College; Obama: It's

So, are you implying this is due to feminism? And if so, on what reasonable grounds do you base such a seemingly ridiculous conclusion?

 

[Shuddhasattva]

I assure you, feminism itself will be happy to take the credit. And deservedly; it is an accomplishment on one hand, and a disservice on the other. Such are the sliding scales of special interests.

Of course, the factors are much wider in scope than feminism, but many of these factors have also been influenced tangentially by feminism. This is not a criticism, at least not a negative one.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

So, are you implying this is due to feminism? And if so, on what reasonable grounds do you base such a ridiculous conclusion?

It could be the notion that men are supposed to be granted more positions of power, more seats in classrooms for their education and the welfare of society. Because if women are being better educated than men, that somehow women aren't being fair and letting men continue to dominate.

Under a patriarchal paradigm, of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

Or how about an increase in the number of stay-at-home dads? That's a good thing. :yes:

I know one dedicated stay-at-home dad. His name is Irwin. He is a jerk.
It started when Bush was in office, but it continues under Obama.
So which one of them is at fault?