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What Does it Mean to be Enlightened?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
What does it mean to say that a person is "enlightened" in the religious or spiritual sense of the word? What all is involved in enlightenment?




BONUS QUESTION: Is it true that one should see a guru if enlightenment continues beyond four hours, or am I merely confusing that with Viagra and the advisability of seeing a doctor if an erection continues beyond four hours?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What does it mean to say that a person is "enlightened" in the religious or spiritual sense of the word? What all is involved in enlightenment?





BONUS QUESTION: Is it true that one should see a guru if enlightenment continues beyond four hours, or am I merely confusing that with Viagra and the advisability of seeing a doctor if an erection continues beyond four hours?

To answer both, a nurse with a syringe and needle will effectively alieveate the erection issue one way or other. Enlightment is that wonderful moment when the issue is not at the forefront in one's mind anymore.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
What does it mean to say that a person is "enlightened" in the religious or spiritual sense of the word? What all is involved in enlightenment?
In my understanding, it is the knowledge and experience of one's place in a universe that is larger than the physical. It is a view where some level of light is seen exposing reality beyond the mundane.
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
What does it mean to say that a person is "enlightened" in the religious or spiritual sense of the word? What all is involved in enlightenment?




BONUS QUESTION: Is it true that one should see a guru if enlightenment continues beyond four hours, or am I merely confusing that with Viagra and the advisability of seeing a doctor if an erection continues beyond four hours?

The world "enlightened" is a vacuous term used by members who share the same worldview to claim exclusivity and superiority over those who don't share that worldview.

In other words, it seems healthy, but it's full of empty calories.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What does it mean to say that a person is "enlightened" in the religious or spiritual sense of the word? What all is involved in enlightenment?




BONUS QUESTION: Is it true that one should see a guru if enlightenment continues beyond four hours, or am I merely confusing that with Viagra and the advisability of seeing a doctor if an erection continues beyond four hours?

I remember seeing on our local news a couple years ago the reporter asking an older gentlemen about the viagara danger. He said that if he had an erection lasting more than four hours that he was going to see the neighbor lady. He was around eighty years old. I about died from laughing so hard.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
To be enlightened is to see the bigger picture, to see who you truly are, to know this you need to be enlightened, to experience it for yourself.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
My understanding is that it involves a level of intellectual and instinctual skill at analysis and deduction, as well as the ability to hold global views and maintain serenity and clarity of purpose.

It is not actually unusual to be enlightened, although comparatively few people manage to remain so for more than a few seconds or minutes at a time. Apparently a combination of unease and conditioning tends to wash the insights away after that time.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In general? Although, of course, not every religion uses the word enlightened, I think it applies to many religions in one way or another.
What does it mean to say that a person is "enlightened" in the religious or spiritual sense of the word? What all is involved in enlightenment?
When one is awakened to the nature of life however defined, practiced, and/or believed to be.

Depends on the religion. I guess in general, observation, reflection, prayer, and so forth. Defining and living one's morals. Practice and discipline. Perfect Zen.

Is it true that one should see a guru if enlightenment continues beyond four hours, or am I merely confusing that with Viagra and the advisability of seeing a doctor if an erection continues beyond four hours?

Which religion?

In Buddhism, for example, it depends on the school. For example, Nichiren Buddhism (specifically Shoshu) believe that enlightenment can only come from the priesthood. Other schools say enlightenment is already within we just have to realize it. Then others say that they are still practicing towards enlightenment even if it takes many life times to do so.

It's awakened to the true nature of life which The Buddha said life is all suffering.

Christianity has a slant towards this however, their view is suffering through Christ. Their enlightenment they call born again and it means changing one's old nature into a new one in Christ.

I think Hindu has a definition of enlightenment; and, I'm not sure what it is or if it's similar to Buddhism.

I don't know about other religions. The general consensus is "being awake" and having a holistic outlook whether it's dependent on something or someone or oneself.
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
Enlightenment is a state of being. There is no line between "non enlightened" and "enlightened", rather some are more enlightened than others. Enlightenment is pretty much synonymous with intelligence; it is the measurement of one's ability to think for themselves, formulate their own opinions, and question things.

To become more enlightened is only one of my many goals in life, though.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Ah yes. Enlightenment or Priapism. The classic philosophical debate.

Precisely, Sir! Precisely! Moreover, I myself staunchly contend that enlightenment and priapism are epistemologically indistinguishable, and I challenge both humanity and the gods to prove me wrong!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The world "enlightened" is a vacuous term used by members who share the same worldview to claim exclusivity and superiority over those who don't share that worldview.

In other words, it seems healthy, but it's full of empty calories.

By the penis gods! You've inspired me! I now think it would be jolly good fun to look down our noses at those snobs you've mentioned. There's just no more fun than a contest to see who can out-snob who.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't know what it means to be enlightened.
If I did, then I'd be, eh.

You might be right, Rev. On the other hand, there are some mystics -- a few, I think -- who have said that not even enlightened people know for certain they are enlightened, and there are other mystics -- this time many, I believe -- who state that enlightenment and non-enlightenment are in some vital ways more or less the same thing.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You might be right, Rev. On the other hand, there are some mystics -- a few, I think -- who have said that not even enlightened people know for certain they are enlightened, and there are other mystics -- this time many, I believe -- who state that enlightenment and non-enlightenment are in some vital ways more or less the same thing.
I'd say enlightenment, like pornography, is hard to define, but I know
it when I see it. As it happens, I see much more of the latter.

The other potential problem with enlightenment is that when claiming it for
oneself, it tends to defeat the claim. Even if true, it smacks of put'n on airs.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It's a broad term and can mean different things in different contexts. Even in the "religious or spiritual sense" it varies.

In the mystical sense, I take it to refer to a type of persistent seizure -- a status epilepticus in medical speak -- often associated with the left temporal region of the brain (though I suspect a global involvement in some of the 'higher' states). Note I'm not referring to the tonic-clonic type seizure people usually picture when they hear 'seizure'. Medically, seizures are any "short circuit" of the brain and need not present as loss of motor control.

In a mystical enlightenment, the experience is one of subject-object unity and ego-expansion. The degree of this mind expansion varies. here seem to be several stages.

It begins with an ego expansion. It's hard to explain, but it's an expansion of awareness and of self; an experience of expanded self, able to stand back and grok a larger picture, as if you'd previously seen only a few pixels and now see a whole landscape, like a flatworm suddenly gaining the insight of an Einstein or Huxley. There's no way he could ever communicate the experience to his fellow flatworms, as there's no way an enlightened human can communicate the experience to his fellow humans.

There is a sensory expansion. Instead of a three dimensional world and arrow of time, one experiences a world of six, eight, ten dimensions; a quantum or string reality; Plato's cave infinitely expanded.
Totally ineffable -- you have to have been there.

As the seizure extends, there's an increasing inability to distinguish self from non-self. Everything begins to be experienced as self. One becomes unable to distinguish oneself from a teacup; fr another person -- or a planet. One becomes the planet. One becomes the entire universe.

It's not a psychosis or hallucination. It's a real merger with the universe, like a drop of water merges with the ocean.
The experience is uncanny. Focus on your sleeve and your awareness flies into the weave. You can go as deep as you will, you can see the threads, you can see the anatomy of the fibers, the molecular structure, the atoms themselves. You experience the weaving, the mind of the weaver and the designer, you become them, you live the life of the original discoverer of weaving. There's no end to it.

Expand your focus and your consciousness balloons out into the universe. Space, time and distance merge and are transcended. You experience past, present and future as a Gestalt; as a massive now. You experience all places as an integrated here. Consciousness, too merges into a single, omniscient superconsciousness.
 
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Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
By the penis gods! You've inspired me! I now think it would be jolly good fun to look down our noses at those snobs you've mentioned. There's just no more fun than a contest to see who can out-snob who.

You did put this in "general religious debates".

Maybe you should put this in the "jellyfish" forum where no one has to be judged and we can all be happy.

I have social/political oppression on my mind, and I think I raise a good point.
 
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