What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?

[URAVIP2ME]

Easter is Resurrection Sunday -- the day Christians remember what they believe to be Jesus' resurrection. Now, I you REALLY think that's secular, then I have nothing more to say to you.

I find Easter is Not mentioned in Scripture, just because Christian labels have been put on it does Not change it.
Does Not change that Jesus wants to be remembered by his day of death - Luke 22:19
How can Resurrection Sunday always fall on a Sunday ______________
Just as Good Friday (Nisan 14 Jewish calendar ) or the Passover day can't always fall on a Friday.
It is a tradition outside of Scripture just taught as being Scripture.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Please notice that I was correct when I told you that 7:6 does not say "above". Also, if you look up the words in Hebrew in 7:7, you'll see that I am correct with the words in 7:7 also. A direct rendering is "greater" and "lesser". "More numerous" is an interpretation. And the link you brought is for the JPS which is not a direct word-for-word rendering. Originally it came from the ASV and RSV, which in turn came from the KJV. Jewish Publication Society of America Version - Wikipedia
For 26:19 yes, but if you keep reading specifically into 28, God will lift up the Jewish people contingent on strict adherence to the law given to them. Maybe look at Deut 4:6 and let me know what that means to you?

Very interesting ^ above ^ I find in my KJV ' above ' and in the Douay at verse 6 has chosen you from all the nations....
So, it would be 'above' only in the sense of being 'chosen over' or above the rest meaning for a special purpose.
The TANACH Hebrew Scripture I find at Deut. 7:6 it does use the word ' above'
At Exodus 19:5 I find ' the most beloved treasure of all peoples' IF.......
Deut. 14:2 chosen to be a treasured people from among all the people.......
Amos 3:2 You alone from all the families of the earth...... (held in account for all their inquities/ errors )

Hebrews chapter 7 I find is about Melchizdek, thus his priesthood was greater than that of Levi. Christ's priesthood would also be greater.
Does any of this match any point you are dealing with ________

 

[metis]

If it was never assumed then why celebrate it as a non-biblical Easter Sunday .
As the anniversary date of a loved ones death does Not always come on a Friday or a Sunday neither does Nisan 14 or Nisan 15,16,17......

Because it was put on the liturgical calendar, and no one knows for sure which date Jesus died on because there's a problem with the Sanhedrin meeting that's mentioned in three of the Gospels but not John's. With the latter, it is said they met on the "preparation day" for Pesach, which was the day before Pesach began. In Judaism, this is what we did to make sure all leaven was removed.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Romans 12

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


How do you go about Renewing?

The earth's renewal, not mine, although always striving to better physically, emotionally and spiritually is good, but that's every day.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Because it was put on the liturgical calendar, and no one knows for sure which date Jesus died on because there's a problem with the Sanhedrin meeting that's mentioned in three of the Gospels but not John's. With the latter, it is said they met on the "preparation day" for Pesach, which was the day before Pesach began. In Judaism, this is what we did to make sure all leaven was removed.

Passover is always Nisan (or Abib) the 14th day. Jesus died on Nisan the 14th day. My understanding is:
John does mention the Day of Preparation - John 19:14, 31 - and the following day was a 'great' Sabbath (no matter which day of the week it came)
However, when this 'special' Sabbath co-insided with the regular Sabbath then it was called a ' great ' Sabbath.
(So, two (2) legal Sabbath's that fell on the same 24-hour period such as when Nisan 15 co-insided with the regular Sabbath )
We are not speaking about preparing the day 'before' the 14th, but preparing for the day before the weekly Sabbath.
Jesus was executed Friday afternoon (3 p.m) of Preparation. Preparing for the Sabbath about the 9th hour on Friday for Saturday.
Nisan 15 being the 1st day of the 7-day Festival of unleavened Bread ( make sure all leaven was removed ) and that 1st day was always a Sabbath (Lev. 23:5-6 )
So, with Jesus, this time the 1st day co-insided with the weekly Sabbath, the 7th day.

 

[metis]

Passover is always Nisan (or Abib) the 14th day. Jesus died on Nisan the 14th day. My understanding is:
John does mention the Day of Preparation - John 19:14, 31 - and the following day was a 'great' Sabbath (no matter which day of the week it came)
However, when this 'special' Sabbath co-insided with the regular Sabbath then it was called a ' great ' Sabbath.
(So, two (2) legal Sabbath's that fell on the same 24-hour period such as when Nisan 15 co-insided with the regular Sabbath )
We are not speaking about preparing the day 'before' the 14th, but preparing for the day before the weekly Sabbath.
Jesus was executed Friday afternoon (3 p.m) of Preparation. Preparing for the Sabbath about the 9th hour on Friday for Saturday.
Nisan 15 being the 1st day of the 7-day Festival of unleavened Bread ( make sure all leaven was removed ) and that 1st day was always a Sabbath (Lev. 23:5-6 )
So, with Jesus, this time the 1st day co-insided with the weekly Sabbath, the 7th day.

Again, it is not clear as Torah scholars recognize this. Either way, Jewish rituals are not mandated with Christians per Jesus' teachings dealing with the Law. If they did, then all 613 Commandments as specified in Torah would be mandated for the Church: The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

 

[2ndpillar]

Again, it is not clear as Torah scholars recognize this. Either way, Jewish rituals are not mandated with Christians per Jesus' teachings dealing with the Law. If they did, then all 613 Commandments as specified in Torah would be mandated for the Church: The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

I kind of think that according to "Scripture" the passover, on the 14th of Nissan, was in preparation for the Feast of unleavened bread, which was to be on the 15th of Nissan, and a High holy Sabbath. Around 2000 years ago, the 14th of Nissan was on a Wednesday, and Thursday, the 15th of Nissan, would be a high holy Sabbath day, and 3 days and 3 nights later, would be on the eve of the 1st day of the week, Sunday, the day of the sun god, which now the paganized Gentile church celebrates as a "resurrection" which occurred before the dawn of the day, which a Jewish day dawns/begins at sunset. (Matthew 28:1) That the Gentile churches seems confused, it is because they are daughters of Babel/confusion.

 

[Elihoenai]

Please notice that I was correct when I told you that 7:6 does not say "above". Also, if you look up the words in Hebrew in 7:7, you'll see that I am correct with the words in 7:7 also. A direct rendering is "greater" and "lesser". "More numerous" is an interpretation. And the link you brought is for the JPS which is not a direct word-for-word rendering. Originally it came from the ASV and RSV, which in turn came from the KJV. Jewish Publication Society of America Version - Wikipedia

For 26:19 yes, but if you keep reading specifically into 28, God will lift up the Jewish people contingent on strict adherence to the law given to them. Maybe look at Deut 4:6 and let me know what that means to you?

Deuteronomy 28:1

28 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:


Amen! Exactly! Elohim/God makes Israel Superior to the Nations Conditional on the Strict Exacting Adherence to Elohim's/God's Law given to them. Israel Does Not Exist without this Strict Exacting Adherence to Elohim's/God's Law. A Marriage is between two parties making Promises/Vows.

Israel will always have the Smallest Population out of the Other Peoples because they are the Most Difficult People to Become.

 

[Elihoenai]

Easter is Not a Bible word (the resurrection of Spring) and is Not about Jesus' death (Luke 22:19)
Jesus said to remember him -> by his day of death (Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar) which often corresponding to modern Passover date.
Just as Passover and a wedding anniversary does Not always come on a Friday nor does Nisan 14the day alway fall on a Friday.

That's your view and what it means to you. For 2.2 Billion Christians in Christendom Easter is about the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ. Are you saying that for 2.2 Billion Christians Easter is not about Yeshua/Jesus?

It's what you do at Easter time that counts.

 

[Elihoenai]

The earth's renewal, not mine, although always striving to better physically, emotionally and spiritually is good, but that's every day.

OK @Sand Dancer, Spiritual but not Religious (SBNR), what does Spiritual mean to you?

 

[Sand Dancer]

OK @Sand Dancer, Spiritual but not Religious (SBNR), what does Spiritual mean to you?

I love religions and think that god is a force that keeps things running in the universe. I like to feel a connection with that force. It fits me better than Christianity did.

 

[metis]

..., Sunday, the day of the sun god, which now the paganized Gentile church celebrates as a "resurrection" which occurred before the dawn of the day, which a Jewish day dawns/begins at sunset. (Matthew 28:1) That the Gentile churches seems confused, it is because they are daughters of Babel/confusion.

I'm not into such bigoted nonsense, so I'm done.

 

[2ndpillar]

That's your view and what it means to you. For 2.2 Billion Christians in Christendom Easter is about the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ. Are you saying that for 2.2 Billion Christians Easter is not about Yeshua/Jesus?

It's what you do at Easter time that counts.

What people do at "Easter" is have an Easter egg hunt at the white house, and whose "Catholic" leader is unable to say the word "God", nor can his advisors tell you what a "woman" is. I think your "many" "Christians" are having an identity crisis, which according to Yeshua, in Matthew 7:13, leads to "destruction". The sacrificing of the lamb on Passover is dated in Scripture as the 14th of Nissan, and according to Yeshua in Matthew 12:40, it would be 3 days and 3 nights before the "son of man" comes out of the earth. It was at the Council of Nicaea, convened by the "beast with two horns like a lamb" (Rev 13:11), Constantine, that the jewish traditions, of the house of Jacob, were substituted with Easter to reflect the traditions of the pagan emperor Constantine, and the worship of the goddess of Spring, Astarte (Easter), and rewrite the jews out of the story.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's your view and what it means to you. For 2.2 Billion Christians in Christendom Easter is about the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ. Are you saying that for 2.2 Billion Christians Easter is not about Yeshua/Jesus? It's what you do at Easter time that counts.

True, what means more to Jesus - what one claims to believe, or what we prove by one's actions.
To me, what Jesus said what to do to remember him is: what one does at the anniversary time of Luke 22:19 that counts.
Also, Jesus said MANY would come in his name but prove false - Matt. 7:21-23; Luke 6:46
Easter (Not found in the Bible), and Passover Time was the time Jesus died.
There is No outlined biblical celebration for the day Jesus was resurrected. Non-biblical Easter celebrating is a man-made celebration.
Mixing the secular with the sacred does Not make the secular as sacred.- 1st Cor. 10:20-21

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I love religions and think that god is a force that keeps things running in the universe. I like to feel a connection with that force. It fits me better than Christianity did.

Embracing Mother Earth sound more like religious Earth-Day worship.
Many youths disengage from the Christian (or so-called Christian) because of being distrustful of both the political and the religious clergy.
Thus, creating a new style (within a person) of being spiritual but Not religious and taking up a broad spectrum list of issues: Earth Day for example.
Environmental issues so BIG but Not to be able to solve.
The 1st-century Christian teachings of Jesus are Not to blame, but false clergy who are found world-wide are to blame.
That does Not make the Christian teachings of Jesus as wrong, but makes the corrupted clergy as wrong.

 

[Elihoenai]

I love religions and think that god is a force that keeps things running in the universe. I like to feel a connection with that force. It fits me better than Christianity did.

It appears you are Not that Convinced by God and Religion giving them a little "g" and "r".

Does this mean that Spiritual means a Force to you like in Star Wars?

The Force

The Force is a metaphysical and ubiquitous power in the Star Wars fictional universe. "Force-sensitive" characters use the Force throughout the franchise. Heroes like the Jedi seek to "become one with the Force", matching their personal wills with the will of the Force, while the Sith and other villains exploit the Force and try to bend it toward their destructive desires. The Force has been compared to aspects of several world religions, and the phrase "May the Force be with you" has become part of the popular-culture vernacular.

The Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Left Coast]

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[Jainarayan]

My family is Italian-American Roman Catholic, albeit largely non-churchgoing except when necessary(weddings, funerals, baptisms). For them Easter is a tradition of dinner, Easter eggs, chocolate bunnies and desserts. When I was Eastern Orthodox, Easter aka Pascha was a big deal to me. I followed all the rituals, observances, and church attendance.

Having left Christianity behind, as a Hindu, Easter doesn’t mean anything to me spiritually. I don’t believe Jesus died and resurrected. I don’t believe he is God. Rather, I think of him as an advanced yogi, bodhisattva, maybe even a buddha or rishi. I view the story of his death and resurrection as a metaphor for his samādhi and enlightenment. That he experienced this is an example of anyone achieving enlightenment, nothing to do with sacrifice, “sin” and “forgiveness”.

 

[Elihoenai]

What people do at "Easter" is have an Easter egg hunt at the white house, and whose "Catholic" leader is unable to say the word "God", nor can his advisors tell you what a "woman" is. I think your "many" "Christians" are having an identity crisis, which according to Yeshua, in Matthew 7:13, leads to "destruction". The sacrificing of the lamb on Passover is dated in Scripture as the 14th of Nissan, and according to Yeshua in Matthew 12:40, it would be 3 days and 3 nights before the "son of man" comes out of the earth. It was at the Council of Nicaea, convened by the "beast with two horns like a lamb" (Rev 13:11), Constantine, that the jewish traditions, of the house of Jacob, were substituted with Easter to reflect the traditions of the pagan emperor Constantine, and the worship of the goddess of Spring, Astarte (Easter), and rewrite the jews out of the story.

@2ndpillar, I don't think you are that ignorant about what Christians do at Easter time. Not all Christians treat Easter the same in Christendom.

Most of the 2.2 Billion Masses of Christians in Christendom have a Fun Easter time and observe like Pagans.

There are others that are Devout Christians that take Easter Very Seriously in Remembrance of Yeshua Messiah's/Jesus Christ's Death, Burial and Resurrection.

Than there are the Ultra Conservative Niche Orders, such as, Society of Jesus (Jesuits), Opus Dei and Knights Templar that are the Most Committed/Devout. As an Ultra Extremist Celibate and Non-Violent Christian Gnostic my Easter is similar to members of the Niche Orders: What Does Passover/Easter Holyday/Holiday Mean To You?


Here are some Devout Christians observing Easter:

Filipino Catholics Whip themselves in BRUTAL Easter Ritual

The Da Vinci Code (2/8) Movie CLIP - Silas (2006) HD

 

[Elihoenai]

True, what means more to Jesus - what one claims to believe, or what we prove by one's actions.
To me, what Jesus said what to do to remember him is: what one does at the anniversary time of Luke 22:19 that counts.
Also, Jesus said MANY would come in his name but prove false - Matt. 7:21-23; Luke 6:46
Easter (Not found in the Bible), and Passover Time was the time Jesus died.
There is No outlined biblical celebration for the day Jesus was resurrected. Non-biblical Easter celebrating is a man-made celebration.
Mixing the secular with the sacred does Not make the secular as sacred.- 1st Cor. 10:20-21

Matthew 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Agreed! What you do Determines what you Believe. Yeshua/Jesus is at the Pinnacle of Walk the Talk.

You must know that all the Religions incorporates and has Traditions of Men as part of their Teachings. Those Traditions of Men were given by Elohim/God for those that Reject the Exacting Demands of Elohim's/God's Transformational Standards. Elohim/God has provided Easy Christianity for the Uncommitted Masses.