Just wondering what does the Bible say about eating of Pork
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What does the Bible say about eating of Pork
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Lindsey-Loo
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At first the eating of pork was forbidden. Leviticus 11:1-8:
1 Now the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, unclean to you; is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.
Then in the New Testament, Peter was told in a dream that pork may be eaten. Acts 11:1-9:
1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. 2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him, 3 saying, “You went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them!”
4 But Peter explained it to them in order from the beginning, saying: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object descending like a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came to me. 6 When I observed it intently and considered, I saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘Not so, Lord! For nothing common or unclean has at any time entered my mouth.’ 9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, ‘What God has cleansed you must not call common.’
1 Now the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, unclean to you; is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.
Then in the New Testament, Peter was told in a dream that pork may be eaten. Acts 11:1-9:
1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. 2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him, 3 saying, “You went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them!”
4 But Peter explained it to them in order from the beginning, saying: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object descending like a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came to me. 6 When I observed it intently and considered, I saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘Not so, Lord! For nothing common or unclean has at any time entered my mouth.’ 9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, ‘What God has cleansed you must not call common.’
　
Well it states not to eat swine.
　
Deu 14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
　
And for those who choose to eat it, there is a penalty.
　
Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 a people who provoke me to my face continually, sacrificing in gardens, and burning incense on bricks;
Isa 65:4 who sit among the graves, and lodge in the secret places; who eat pig's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Isa 65:5 who say, Stand by yourself, don't come near to me, for I am holier than you. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burns all the day.
Isa 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, yes, I will recompense into their bosom,
　
I also see that those who accept the Torah see that nothing at all changes in the berit hadashah, new covenant, as to the dietary laws. The misinterpretation of some are founded in the book of Acts in chapters 10 and 11 as to the vision of Peter. If one would only simply read it in the correct context without trying to twist the words into giving them permission to do as their own hearts desire, they will find that it simply is meant to show a Hebrew that the ecclesiastical law that was put in place by man, that a Hebrew cannot join himself to, or come to, one of another nation is not the Torah but that of the traditions of man.
　
Act 10:28 He said to them, "You yourselves know how it is an unlawful thing for a man who is a Hebrew to join himself or come to one of another nation, but Elohim has shown me that I shouldn't call any man unholy or unclean.
　
He showed that these three men, that Cornelius sent, was not to be considered common or unclean because as it is so stated. First that there would be three men that came because the voice that Peter heard in his vision so repeated itself 3 times. Secondly, it stated whatsoever Elohim has so cleansed you shall not call common or unclean.
　
Act 10:15 A voice came to him again the second time, "What Elohim has cleansed, you must not call unclean."
　
Key here is What Elohim has cleansed. Man can be cleansed of his sins by Elohim but Elohim has not so done with the dietary laws. Elohim was showing Peter that he understood the dietary laws so well as to what was to be considered clean and unclean but made him realize that the same laws do not apply to men or to anything that is not so mentioned in the Torah as being common or unclean. My question is where does it state that man is either clean or unclean. Those things have to do with the sanctification laws, or cleanliness laws for the Temple and service to Yah. You know like coming into contact with a menstruating woman or a dead body and so on. One has to follow the precepts as so stated in the text to make oneself clean again. Swines flesh cannot be made clean because it was created for a purpose other than the consumption by man. Just like all the other dietary laws are for the purpose of our health.
　
I know you didnt ask for all this, and I hope Im not just casting pearls to the swine, (LOL, pun intended
) but here is an analogy.　
If you bought a Cadillac, and it broke, would you take it to a Ford dealership to get it fixed? Of course not. You would take it to one that manufactured it correct? Most people, I think, would. Elohim created us and knows what is best for us. Knows what is meant for food for us and what can harm us. Pig is not healthy for human consumption no matter how good it taste. Neither are all the other unclean foods so mentioned in Lev 11 and Deu 14.
　
Hope this helped in your understanding.
Sinaiticism
Mud Pie
How so?
RND
Seventh-day Adventist
That it is unclean and thus not food. It is not fit for consumption.
For an analogy to work, both the symbol and the thing it represents must both be true. I.E. Just as i cleanse and call clean this thing previously forbidden, so to are the gentiles.
Secondly, if the only intention was the inclusion of the gentiles, why not simply order Paul to call the gentiles?
The Mosaic Law doesnt really apply to Christians today, although it is still good to look at them and understand the priciples that they camefrom.
Also because it is now a spiritual israel and not a fleshly israel.
Sinaiticism
Mud Pie
You still haven't answered my question. How so?
RND
Seventh-day Adventist
Then using your logic Peter should have eaten the three men that knocked on his door.
Because Peter obviously had a lesson to learn.
The Mosaic Law was the Covenant and Law for physical Israel. When Jesus made the new Covenant with SPiritual israel the old one became obsolete
In his saying a new [covenant] he has made the former one obsolete. Now that which is made obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away Heb 8:13
Look! There are days coming, is the utterance of Jehovah, and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant; not one like the covenant that I concluded with their forefathers in the day of my taking hold of their hand to bring them forth out of the land of Egypt, which covenant of mine they themselves broke, although I myself had husbandly ownership of them, is the utterance of Jehovah.
For this is the covenant that I shall conclude with the house of Israel after those days, is the utterance of Jehovah. I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.
Jer 31:31-33
For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness. Romans 10:4
Sinaiticism
Mud Pie
Lockyfan said:
O.k.
I see your points and hope that you will allow me to share our understanding as to this issue.
When we look at the beginning of this chapter we see what part of the Abrahamic covenant has been changed…….
Heb 8:1 Now in the things which we are saying, the main point is this. We have such a High Priest, who sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Heb 8:2 a servant of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which YAH pitched, not man.
Heb 8:3 For every High Priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this High Priest also have something to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he would not be a Priest at all, seeing there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Torah;
Heb 8:5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, even as Moshe was warned by Elohim when he was about to make the tabernacle, for he said, "See, you shall make everything according to the pattern that was shown to you on the mountain."
Heb 8:6 But now he has obtained a more excellent ministry, by so much as he is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
Yes, it may be close to vanishing away “BUT” not completely. It will come back into practice when Yahshua leaves his post as priest and comes back to earth to serve as king. The sons of Zadok will be put in place as the priest in those days and that part that was close to vanishing away which was what this chapter was speaking about to begin with will continue in giving the gifts so ordained within Torah. The instructions still stand it’s just for now the job of perpetuation has fallen on the new covenant concept of the spiritual rather than physical. See, it is Yah’s plan “B”. Man chose not to follow the instructions for life so instead of flooding the world and killing all of mankind again He decided to put aside the “path” by which we atone for our sins. We first have to agree what “sin” is. We understand “sin” to be iniquity, lawlessness, disobedience to Yah’s word or commands. His “Torah”. He gave a new way/path that by faith all of our sins past will be forgiven once. The old way, man’s conscience was in such a way that he told himself that “if I sin a sin, and go to the priest and offer up a sacrifice for that sin, and I sin the sin again, all I got to do is go and offer up another sacrifice.” Yah got sick of man’s insolence and decided to mix things up a little bit. Once you get it. Once you become fully aware of the truth. Once you accept Yah’s word and learn to obey His word, His Torah, and then you decide knowingly to disobey it, there is no more sacrifice. All you got is fear. Fear that Yah will exact His fury on you. Yahshua was the sacrifice of Yah to cover all sins of they who believe and understand. All sins past………
Rom 3:25 Whom Elohim hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Elohim;
But what if we sin knowingly after we have become fully aware of His Torah?
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries.
And so how is it that one can commit sin here in Heb 10:26 if what we know to be sin is so defined by Torah which some believe to no longer hold any validity as to the way Yah instructed us all in how to live? We fully believe that His Torah is still very much in full force and in His time will be fully enforced.
Lockyfan said:
Yes, He will put His what? His Torah. He will write them where? Heart? The heart pumps blood so we understand this to mean mind. Brain. So if one studies and is taught correctly they will become learned in the true word of Yah. To become fully aware and knowledgeable in His Torah. It will be within you to not only read and learn but to do. As it is written that not are the hearers of the Torah justified, but the doers. Once one becomes aware of the Torah and personally applies these instructions to their everyday lives, then they are following the “path” of righteousness.
So no, we do not agree with mans concept that the Torah has been destroyed, or nailed to any cross. We do however see that it is as it has always been and that is an instruction guide for the way we must all live. The covenant has not really changed either. The goal is to still to obtain that beatific vision of eternal life which is the same today as it was since Adam. The rules of the game has just been somewhat adjusted. It is become easier for one who truly believes and obeys but has become almost a curse to the unrepentive, unreceptive, unresponsive backslider. These are those who have filled themselves with P.I.E. It is so good to them that they do not seem to get enough of it. What is P.I.E.? P = Pride, I = Insecurity, E = Envy. They have become fat off of it. Man is such a gluttonous creature and full of himself with all of his own thoughts and feelings with no real respect of the will of Yah. We do not deserve to have such a loving and caring Father who does so much to try and instruct us in such a way that we would become accepted. Just as a parent would want for their own child here to grow and become someone accepted and loved. Our parents gave us instructions as to the way they believed we should live and corrected us when we fell to the wayside. They wanted us to grow up and have better than themselves and to be accepted within society.
Lockyfan said:
Yahshua was only the end of the sacrificial laws for a time. Everyone exercising faith that Yah actually exist and agrees to obey His Torah may have righteousness. They no longer have to perform the works of the sacrificial laws to attempt to obtain righteousness.
Try and read the epistles as one would any other writing where if it starts out speaking on a subject and does not seem to waver from that topic then it must most likely end with the same topic. Many of the instances where Sha’ul and others are speaking of law that has been changed or set aside it is somewhere mentioned within the same sentence, paragraph or chapter of just what it is and 9 times out of 10 it has to do with the sacrificial laws. The rest of the Torah that can be lawfully observed are just as in force as they were at the time Moshe received them.
May Yah bless your understanding as to His will.
There is actually a difference between the Abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Law.
The law was a temporary issue, that was to be used until Jesus became the fulfilled seed with the covenant between Jehovah and Abraham.
The italics are me adding in the name of who each person represents.
Galations 3:19-25
Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; (Jesus)
and it was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator (Moses).
Now there is no mediator where only one person is concerned, but God is only one. Is the Law, therefore, against the promises of God? May that never happen! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, righteousness would actually have been by means of law. But the Scripture delivered up all things together to the custody of sin, that the promise resulting from faith toward Jesus Christ might be given to those exercising faith.
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed. Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor
So the scriptures are telling us there that the law was only temporary until Jesus came. Then once he came the Law was no longer needed. Jesus became the new Mediator
The law was a temporary issue, that was to be used until Jesus became the fulfilled seed with the covenant between Jehovah and Abraham.
The italics are me adding in the name of who each person represents.
Galations 3:19-25
Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; (Jesus)
and it was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator (Moses).
Now there is no mediator where only one person is concerned, but God is only one. Is the Law, therefore, against the promises of God? May that never happen! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, righteousness would actually have been by means of law. But the Scripture delivered up all things together to the custody of sin, that the promise resulting from faith toward Jesus Christ might be given to those exercising faith.
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed. Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor
So the scriptures are telling us there that the law was only temporary until Jesus came. Then once he came the Law was no longer needed. Jesus became the new Mediator
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
I do love bacon smoked with hickory , roast pork with apple sauce and crackling, and a leg of ham glazed with honey. pure bliss.
Early observers of the pig would have observed that it has no problem eating garbage or it own waste. Worms and other diseases would have be contracted in neolithic communities under certain environmental conditions leading to the stay clear of pigs issue. The other possible explanation is the similarity in taste between human and pig flesh after all we have a good DNA match. And there is always the possibility if you like the taste of one then....
But What does the bible or Kuran say about eating three toed kangaroos?
Who would bother with crappy sheep after such sweet taste.
Camel was good and the dog I tried in China was a bit tough like emu, goanna was great roasted in the embers of the camp fire, but best of all is roo.
I reckon we should export a heap of big reds to Africa to save the starving millions.
Cheers
Early observers of the pig would have observed that it has no problem eating garbage or it own waste. Worms and other diseases would have be contracted in neolithic communities under certain environmental conditions leading to the stay clear of pigs issue. The other possible explanation is the similarity in taste between human and pig flesh after all we have a good DNA match. And there is always the possibility if you like the taste of one then....
But What does the bible or Kuran say about eating three toed kangaroos?
Who would bother with crappy sheep after such sweet taste.
Camel was good and the dog I tried in China was a bit tough like emu, goanna was great roasted in the embers of the camp fire, but best of all is roo.
I reckon we should export a heap of big reds to Africa to save the starving millions.
Cheers
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Sinaiticism
Mud Pie
Do you not realize that all of this is speaking of the laws of sacrifice only? Read it closely. It all has to do with the works of the law of sacrifice and where it has to do with the laws of perpetuation. It’s the ceremonial laws as a whole that most of the NT is speaking about as that which has been set aside for a time. Otherwise the “LAW” that Yah said He would write in your heart would mean nothing at all being that most believe that His law was only temporary. His law is His word and promise which stands forever and ever. Remember He changes not so if He said that these laws are for our good and long life and if we will obey Him that we might receive eternal life, then guess what? It hasn’t changed. The same words/law/commands still stand today as they did from Adam.
Romans 7:4-6
So, my brothers, YOU also were made dead to the Law through the body of the Christ, that YOU might become anothers, the ones who was raised up from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in accord with the flesh, the sinful passions that were excited by the Law were at work in our members that we should bring forth fruit to death. But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code