What ever happened to ISIS?

[ChristineM]

I think almost every modern group misinterprets Islam in some way.

However, when it comes to antisemitism, calls to violence, hatred, bigotry, torturing, humiliating, decapitating, mutilating, dismembering, crucifying, and wiping out non-muslims, it's clearly and blatantly commanded in the Qu'ran, and can be found in the Hadiths, and the lifestyle of the founding "Prophet", as well.

Pointing out such errors should be just as acceptable and politically correct as pointing out the errors of Nazism, but it's not!

See the verses I quoted a few posts up. It's thoroughly disgusting bigotry, no matter what context a person tries to use to defend it!

The Qur'an can be interpreted any way you want. Most (actually all) the Muslims i know read it as a book of peace.

Some don't. Daesh (and other jehadists) who account for about 0.006% of Muslims don't interpret it that way.

It is interesting that in several recent analysis the Bible was found to be more violent than the Qur'an but it seems Christianity is less violent... Why?

Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam, it has gone through (and is still going through today) violent outbursts but we in the west hear little of them. For example, Anti-Balaka in Africa are killing vast numbers of people.

Here is a wiki link to Christian terrorism both historical and current for your perusal.
. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Oh, they will be back, possibly under a new name. The Qu'ran has enough verses to support such bigotry, hate, and violence, that there will always be a significant presence of people who are infected by it.

We can't entirely fault people for obeying their "Word of God" and "Prophet".

Ditto the Bible, but anyhoo...

 

[Spiderman]

Thanks for both videos. They were great and the music I found great also.
I do hope that God exists AND makes this wrong right. Whoever killed the 500.000 Libyans deserve the same. This Gaddafi seems "Jesus reborn" and the ones who killed Him and all the others I would call the anti-christ. Amazing how He cared for all the people. And amazing how the sick greedy West, the Rothschild family destroyed it. Googled it, Rothschild is Jewish. Wow, they are creating really bad karma for the Jews. And all the banks joining them, or is it "that they own".

@PopeADope: I think who did this horrible act and controlling the world already for centuries are the worst criminals. What is written in Bible is nothing compared to this. What is written in Quran is nothing compared to this. And Rothschild is connected to the West, then maybe Muhammad got a right glimpse in the future telling to kill all the infidels. But then meaning killing the Rothschilds and other evildoers. They are the ones that destroy all the innocent lives. And ISIS attacks to the west might be just a nano-payback for all the wrong done. Sometimes God works in mysterious ways. But karma you cannot escape. Even if you don't believe in it. It is like Gravity, if you go up, it will pull you back down.

So Pope what do you think after watching these 2 videos. I did see it quite some time back, but feel it now even more. This is such a big injustice.

@RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha: I don't understand why you choose this name on RF. Is it to remind yourself and all of us of the "anti-christ" already walking the earth for centuries, still getting away with it's evil. Having the name "Rothschild"?

Is there a way to stop them? Will praying do the trick?

I can't watch the videos on my phone and the libraries are probably closed on Sunday.

I condemn hatred and bigotry when it comes from muslims, Jews, Communists, Fascists, Nazis, KKK, Right-wingers, left-wingers, or anyone.

The problem is hypocrisy that makes me speak about the Qua'ran. Many of the people that attack right-wing politics, defend the Qu'ran, or insult people who point out the hatred it contains. That is the politically correct thing to do these days and it makes me Ill!

 

[Spiderman]

Ditto the Bible, but anyhoo...

I condemn the sick mass-murders, child-killings, babykilling, and harsh policies in the Bible a lot a well.

One thing I like about Jesus is, he didn't recruit an army to conquer, he said "turn the other cheek, love your enemies", and he forgave those who crucified him. I admire that.

But I point out the errors of the Bible and argue with Christians more than I argue with Muslims.

 

[Spiderman]

The Qur'an can be interpreted any way you want. Most (actually all) the Muslims i know read it as a book of peace.

Some don't. Daesh (and other jehadists) who account for about 0.006% of Muslims don't interpret it that way.

It is interesting that in several recent analysis the Bible was found to be more violent than the Qur'an but it seems Christianity is less violent... Why?

Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam, it has gone through (and is still going through today) violent outbursts but we in the west hear little of them. For example, Anti-Balaka in Africa are killing vast numbers of people.

Here is a wiki link to Christian terrorism both historical and current for your perusal.
. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

I doubt those statistics are right. The Muslim "Holy-land", Saudi Arabia, which is an Alli of the United states have a Government that is extremely bigoted, hateful, misogynistic, homophobic, cruel, barbaric, dark-aged, and as far as I'm concerned, ruins millions of lives that have to live there.

Also, I'd much rather be dead than be the hundreds of millions of people (especially women) in our world who live under Islamic Theocracies! Some things are worse than death! There are countries we would consider quite "Liberal" Muslim Countries where people still get killed or put in prison for years for simply saying the truth about Muhammad and the Qu'ran.

Also, just because most Muslims are peaceful, doesn't mean most Muslims aren't bigots or misogynists who would prefer an Islamic Theocracy govern all nations. I have known many peaceful, law-abiding bigots and misogynists. The fact is, any Muslim who follows the example of Muhammad and many verses in the Qu'ran, is going to be a bigot! I can prove it...so...end of story!

 

[ChristineM]

I doubt those statistics are right. The Muslim "Holy-land", Saudi Arabia, which is an Alli of the United states have a Government that is extremely bigoted, hateful, misogynistic, homophobic, cruel, barbaric, dark-aged, and as far as I'm concerned, ruins millions of lives that have to live there.

Also, I'd much rather be dead than be the hundreds of millions of people (especially women) in our world who live under Islamic Theocracies! Some things are worse than death! There are countries we would consider quite "Liberal" Muslim Countries where people still get killed or put in prison for years for simply saying the truth about Muhammad and the Qu'ran.

Also, just because most Muslims are peaceful, doesn't mean most Muslims aren't bigots or misogynists who would prefer an Islamic Theocracy govern all nations. I have known many peaceful, law-abiding bigots and misogynists. The fact is, any Muslim who follows the example of Muhammad and many verses in the Qu'ran, is going to be a bigot! I can prove it...so...end of story!

The comparison has been done several times, using different methods including word analysis by computer and analysis by bible and qur'an scholars, always with the same result. Whether you doubt their accuracy doesnt really matter, just do a Google "which is more violent, the bible or the qur-ran"

Sure islam is far from perfect, that was not my argument

But certainly in the Donald Trump/Theresa May west xenophobic media hype is driving the muslim bashers.

 

[Spiderman]

Do you think that ISIS misinterprets Islam?

Ya know who I think misinterprets Islam even more?
The people that think it's a Religion of peace that respects other beliefs and cultures. Islam is nothing of the sort, unless you separate it from the Qu'ran, the Hadiths, and the example of Muhammad.

Not to mention how Islamic Theocracies have harmed an entire gender. Some things are worse than death. Being a woman who is forced to wear to wear a burka, refused an education, refused the ability to drive, denied other freedoms, and kept ignorant, uneducated, narrow-minded, and married to a man who approves of such ignorance, bigotry, and misogyny, is far worse than death imo! And so, as far as I'm concerned, an entire gender was kept in ignorance, confusion, abuse, and dark-aged tyranny for a whole lifetime, which in my opinion = a lifetime of torture for being female. That is just as ugly as the slavery imo, only it takes place in my lifetime on a far larger scale than slavery.

There are countries with a Muslim majority that we think of as fairly liberal countries with Religious freedom, where people are still imprisoned for years or killed for simply stating the Truth about Muhammad and the Qu'ran! It's terrible how many lives are harmed or completely ruined by this toxic stuff!

*EDIT*
But I love the Avatar Deidre. At first on my phone I thought it was a pretty face next to a white opening door. I thought it had spiritual significance and symbolism because Jesus referred to himself as a "Door" and an opening door has symbolism in multiple different Religious traditions. Just what I saw on my phone!

Either way, you haven't aged a day! You have to promise to never change that avatar! Kay!

 

[Spiderman]

The comparison has been done several times, using different methods including word analysis by computer and analysis by bible and qur'an scholars, always with the same result. Whether you doubt their accuracy doesnt really matter, just do a Google "which is more violent, the bible or the qur-ran"

Sure islam is far from perfect, that was not my argument

But certainly in the Donald Trump/Theresa May west xenophobic media hype is driving the muslim bashers.

I think Donald Trump says a lot of stupid remarks, and I'm really quite liberal on many issues.

If you want to call me a "Muslim Basher", that should be no more ugly than calling me a "Nazi Basher".

The only thing I'm bashing is tyranny, misogyny, ignorance, bigotry, hate, calls to violence, torture, mutilation, and anti-Semitism, all of which are in the Qu'ran. Should people not take a stand against such vices? A Muslim who follows some of the teaching in the Qu'ran is going to be a bigot, pure and simple, and it is quite easy for me to prove this!

 

[ChristineM]

Ya know who I think misinterprets Islam even more?
The people that think it's a Religion of peace that respects other beliefs and cultures. Islam is nothing of the sort, unless you separate it from the Qu'ran, the Hadiths, and the example of Muhammad.

Not to mention how Islamic Theocracies have harmed an entire gender. Some things are worse than death. Being a woman who is forced to wear to wear a burka, refused an education, refused the ability to drive, denied other freedoms, and kept ignorant, uneducated, narrow-minded, and married to a man who approves of such ignorance, bigotry, and misogyny, is far worse than death imo! And so, as far as I'm concerned, an entire gender was kept in ignorance, confusion, abuse, and dark-aged tyranny for a whole lifetime, which in my opinion = a lifetime of torture for being female. That is just as ugly as the slavery imo, only it takes place in my lifetime on a far larger scale than slavery.

There are countries with a Muslim majority that we think of as fairly liberal countries with Religious freedom, where people are still imprisoned for years or killed for simply stating the Truth about Muhammad and the Qu'ran! It's terrible how many lives are harmed or completely ruined by this toxic stuff!

So you think 99.994% of Muslims have their religion wrong?

 

[Spiderman]

You should cross check your references one by one, not just do blind copy pastes.

No matter how wrong one believes a person to be, one should be accurate in one’s accusations

The ones I checked essentially said the exact same thing, but sometimes in different words....the same hate, same bigotry, same calls to violence are still there!

 

[Spiderman]

So you think 99.994% of Muslims have their religion wrong?

We don't know what 99% of Muslims think.

You think every Muslim who hates Jews, Christians, and Pagans, suddenly says something that appears in statistics?

Most bigots are not violent extremists.

I knew a racist man who said many bad things about minorities while at the same time volunteering at a soup kitchen in Chicago that fed only minorities (from what I saw). You would never know the guy was a racist bigot. He didn't hurt anyone and was charitable to minorities.

Hence, most of the Muslims who are bigots, aren't making it public, so you don't know what 99% believe. The Muslims who follow the Qu'ran will be bigots, because Muhammad was a bigot, and the Qu'ran promotes bigotry and hate, and I can prove it!!! I met nice Muslims who still believe Idolaters and Atheists will be tortured forever and ever if they don't repent and convert to Islam! That is total cruelty, madness, injustice, hateful, and bigoted, yet many "peaceful", likeable, law-abiding Muslims believe this.

Many Christians believe something like this too, (eternal torture for those who don't become Christian) and I can't stand them, and find it thoroughly disgusting and depressing!

 

[ChristineM]

I think Donald Trump says a lot of stupid remarks, and I'm really quite liberal on many issues.

If you want to call me a "Muslim Basher", that should be no more ugly than calling me a "Nazi Basher".

The only thing I'm bashing is tyranny, misogyny, ignorance, bigotry, hate, calls to violence, torture, mutilation, and anti-Semitism, all of which are in the Qu'ran. Should people not take a stand against such vices? A Muslim who follows some of the teaching in the Qu'ran is going to be a bigot, pure and simple, and it is quite easy for me to prove this!

Did i call you anything? i made a statement regarding the agenda of right wing press, which unfortunately is in the majority of news outlets.

Actually all those things are in the bible too (and more). But bible believers choose to pretend they dont exist and ignore that part of religion, except in deed?

So prove it (or try). I lived in a town with a high percentage of muslims, i met many, i employed several, i include muslims as my friends so prove those people to be bigots.

 

[ChristineM]

We don't know what 99% of Muslims think.

You think every Muslim who hates Jews, Christians, and Pagans, suddenly says something that appears in statistics?

Most bigots are not violent extremists.

I knew a racist man who said many bad things about minorities while at the same time volunteering at a soup kitchen in Chicago that fed only minorities (from what I saw). You would never know the guy was a racist bigot. He didn't hurt anyone and was charitable to minorities.

Hence, the Muslims who are bigots, aren't making it public, so you don't know what 99% believe. The Muslims who follow the Qu'ran will be bigots, because Muhammad was a bigot, and the Qu'ran promotes bigotry and hate, and I can prove it!!! I met nice Muslims who still believe Idolaters and Atheists will be tortured forever and ever if they don't repent and convert to Islam! That is total cruelty, madness, injustice, hateful, and bigoted, yet many "peaceful", likeable, law-abiding Muslims believe this.

Many Christians believe something like this too, (eternal torture for those who don't become Christian) and I can't stand them, and find it thoroughly disgusting and depressing!

Do some research rather than following the right wing hate rhetoric.

 

[Spiderman]

Did i call you anything? i made a statement regarding the agenda of right wing press, which unfortunately is in the majority of news outlets.

Actually all those things are in the bible too (and more). But bible believers choose to pretend they dont exist and ignore that part of religion, except in deed?

So prove it (or try). I lived in a town with a high percentage of muslims, i met many, i employed several, i include muslims as my friends so prove those people to be bigots.

I have met many Muslims. The city I live in has the highest Somalian population of any city in America from what I hear. I have prayed at a mosque and faced mequa and prayed with Muslims and had Qu'ran studies with them. You wouldn't know they were bigots, but when you find out what they believe about the fate of non-muslims on judgment day, how they defend laws in Saudi-Arabia (Like forcing women to dress like nuns, chopping off hands, chopping off heads) or jihad against unbelievers and Idolaters, they can still be quite bigoted. The ones that are not, simply don't follow the Qu'ran.

Prove they are NOT bigot!

Do you hear the conversations they have at a Qu'ran study, or what they teach their kids will happen to non-Muslims on judgment day?

Also, I don't pretend the Bible is not disgusting or ignore how it portrays God! I KNOW THE BIBLE IS DISGUSTING! And I have stated it many times!

 

[Spiderman]

Do some research rather than following the right wing hate rhetoric.

I've read the Qu'ran front to back twice...On this thread, I have quoted blatantly obvious hatred, anti-Semitism, calls to violence, bigotry, chopping off hands and feet of people like me, crucifixion, beheading, boiling water poured on skin, and various tortures that are worse than death, right from the Qu'ran.

Why is it so hard for you to take a stand against obvious bigotry and hatred when it is right before your eyes?

 

[Spiderman]

Do some research rather than following the right wing hate rhetoric.

I don't follow right-wing hate rhetoric.

I follow that voice inside my heart that tells me to take a stand against hatred, misogyny, cruelty, bigotry, violence, and murder! All of which the Qur'an encourages!

 

[stvdv]

The Qur'an can be interpreted any way you want. Most (actually all) the Muslims i know read it as a book of peace.

Some don't. Daesh (and other jehadists) who account for about 0.006% of Muslims don't interpret it that way.

It is interesting that in several recent analysis the Bible was found to be more violent than the Qur'an but it seems Christianity is less violent... Why?

Christianity has a 600 year head start on Islam, it has gone through (and is still going through today) violent outbursts but we in the west hear little of them. For example, Anti-Balaka in Africa are killing vast numbers of people.

Here is a wiki link to Christian terrorism both historical and current for your perusal.
. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Both Christians and Muslims believe their religion is the only way to salvation. Both believe they have to convert others to their religion. This implies that they believe that their religion is superior and the others' is inferior. This can easily lead to the idea that they see themselves as superior and the other as inferior I believe. Which is unhealthy.

People do lots of surveys and debating, but I think the problems just go back to this idea "My Religion is better than yours". So as long as people have this idea, we have troubles around. No need to do all kinds of surveys even, just common sense IMO. I did read the below survey a bit. Dazzling all these numbers, but obvious the impact of religion is big on how they act in real life. The believe impact is bigger than the above number 0.006% suggests [but as to violence, although some condone it, they don't put in practice luckily, so this number reflects it probably correct]. I was just curious about that. So fortunately common sense (or fear) seems to win from blind faith
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
[I was curious about some statistics, so had a look. But don't recommend to look at this, just too much data; really dazzling all these statistics, but seems to have all the stats in 1 place]

 

[ChristineM]

I have met many Muslims. The city I live in has the highest Somalian population of any city in America from what I hear. I have prayed at a mosque and faced mequa and prayed with Muslims and had Qu'ran studies with them. You wouldn't know they were bigots, but when you find out what they believe about the fate of non-muslims on judgment day, how they defend laws in Saudi-Arabia (Like forcing women to dress like nuns, chopping off hands, chopping off heads) or jihad against unbelievers and Idolaters, they can still be quite bigoted. The ones that are not, simply don't follow the Qu'ran.

Prove they are NOT bigot!

Do you hear the conversations they have at a Qu'ran study, or what they teach their kids will happen to non-Muslims on judgment day?

Also, I don't pretend the Bible is not disgusting or ignore how it portrays God! I KNOW THE BIBLE IS DISGUSTING! And I have stated it many times!

Your opinion is not proof.

Saudi has a population of about 33 million, there are around 1.5 billion muslims. You seem to be confusing national dictatorships with an entire religion. Very few islamic countries implement full sharia law, some few more use a hybrid system of sharia family law combined with some form of democracy, the rest tend to democracy.

Yes i have discussed the muslim faith.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't follow right-wing hate rhetoric.

I follow that voice inside my heart that tells me to take a stand against hatred, misogyny, cruelty, bigotry, violence, and murder! All of which the Qur'an encourages!

A voice tempered by the 10pm news and news paper headlines.

You want to take a stand against hatred, misogyny, cruelty, bigotry, violence, and murder, very noble, so aim at the bible and tanakh, accuse all christians and all jews of bigotry in the same way and for the same reason you acuse all muslims

 

[Spiderman]

Your opinion is not proof.

Saudi has a population of about 33 million, there are around 1.5 billion muslims. You seem to be confusing national dictatorships with an entire religion. Very few islamic countries implement full sharia law, some few more use a hybrid system of sharia family law combined with some form of democracy, the rest tend to democracy.

Yes i have discussed the muslim faith.

I never said an opinion is proof. On the first page of this thread I posted calls to violence, bigotry, and hatred in the Koran!

Since when has taking a stand against obvious misogyny, bigotry, hate, cruelty, and torture become "right wing rhetoric"?

I don't read right-wing statements. I follow my conscience that tells me that stuff is wrong!