What ever happened to ISIS?

[Spiderman]

A voice tempered by the 10pm news and news paper headlines.

You want to take a stand against hatred, misogyny, cruelty, bigotry, violence, and murder, very noble, so aim at the bible and tanakh, accuse all christians and all jews of bigotry in the same way and for the same reason you acuse all muslims

I have accused Christians many times of bigotry at RF.

The Bible is quite sickening to me!

 

[stvdv]

I can't watch the videos on my phone and the libraries are probably closed on Sunday.

Those 2 video's were about Gaddafi, how he got his country from the poorest country to one of the richest countries [From this video I got the impression he is Jesus reborn; so much good he did to all `his` people]. All people there receive like 50.000 dollars when they marry for a house, and all kind of really amazing things he did.

Only NATA and US bombed then into hell, just some politics and money. Also had to do with gold. Very sick they did that, now that country is back to zero. Really showed the real face of the west [greedy and jealousy]. Showed also the sick influence of Roth'schild banking familiy who seem to be behind lots of this.

 

[Spiderman]

Those 2 video's were about Gaddafi, how he got his country from the poorest country to one of the richest countries [From this video I got the impression he is Jesus reborn; so much good he did to all `his` people]. All people there receive like 50.000 dollars when they marry for a house, and all kind of really amazing things he did.

Only NATA and US bombed then into hell, just some politics and money. Also had to do with gold. Very sick they did that, now that country is back to zero. Really showed the real face of the west [greedy and jealousy]. Showed also the sick influence of Roth'schild banking familiy who seem to be behind lots of this.

I agree! That is sick and wrong!

 

[Spiderman]

A voice tempered by the 10pm news and news paper headlines.

You want to take a stand against hatred, misogyny, cruelty, bigotry, violence, and murder, very noble, so aim at the bible and tanakh, accuse all christians and all jews of bigotry in the same way and for the same reason you acuse all muslims

I argue with Christians a lot more than I argue with Muslims.

Most Christians I meet online or offline think nonchristians are not saved or they burn in hell for eternity.

This tells me most Christians are bigots.

I don't give Jews a bad time because such a small percent of the population is Jewish, so they are less of a threat. Also, Jews are usually not telling people they have to convert to Judaism or go to hell forever.

 

[Spiderman]

If Muslims stopped outlawing the speaking truth about Muhammad and the Koran, stopped treating women like they aren't human, stopped jihading, stopped stoning adulterers, stopped cutting off heads, and killing homosexuals, id have less beef with Islam.

How many countries with a Christian majority have such laws and policies?
If you find one, let me know....well, im just as sickened by it!

 

[ChristineM]

Both Christians and Muslims believe their religion is the only way to salvation. Both believe they have to convert others to their religion. This implies that they believe that their religion is superior and the others' is inferior. This can easily lead to the idea that they see themselves as superior and the other as inferior I believe. Which is unhealthy.

People do lots of surveys and debating, but I think the problems just go back to this idea "My Religion is better than yours". So as long as people have this idea, we have troubles around. No need to do all kinds of surveys even, just common sense IMO. I did read the below survey a bit. Dazzling all these numbers, but obvious the impact of religion is big on how they act in real life. The believe impact is bigger than the above number 0.006% suggests [but as to violence, although some condone it, they don't put in practice luckily, so this number reflects it probably correct]. I was just curious about that. So fortunately common sense (or fear) seems to win from blind faith

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
[I was curious about some statistics, so had a look. But don't recommend to look at this, just too much data; really dazzling all these statistics, but seems to have all the stats in 1 place]

Which is of course one major reason why i have no truck with any religion.

The 0.006% applies to the estimated number of jehadists

 

[ChristineM]

I argue with Christians a lot more than I argue with Muslims.

Most Christians I meet online or offline think nonchristians are not saved or they burn in hell for eternity.

This tells me most Christians are bigots.

I don't give Jews a bad time because such a small percent of the population is Jewish, so they are less of a threat. Also, Jews are usually not telling people they have to convert to Judaism or go to hell forever.

Yes i have seen you argue, i have never seen you accuse them of bigotry.

And even less of the muslim population are jehadists.

 

[ChristineM]

If Muslims stopped outlawing the speaking truth about Muhammad and the Koran, stopped treating women like they aren't human, stopped jihading, stopped stoning adulterers, stopped cutting off heads, and killing homosexuals, id have less beef with Islam.

How many countries with a Christian majority have such laws and policies?
If you find one, let me know....well, im just as sickened by it!

As far as i can see your beef is with sharia, not islam.



Central african republic will do for a start regarding draconian christian religious laws.

 

[Spiderman]

Yes i have seen you argue, i have never seen you accuse them of bigotry.

And even less of the muslim population are jehadists.

Of course I accuse them of bigotry.
Anytime they start judging and condemning other Christians, condemning Idolators, atheists, non-christians, or people like me who pray to the dead, you bet I accuse them of bigotry!

But what I like about Jesus, is he is supposed to be their example; and unlike muhammad, Jesus didnt recruit an army to conquer and oppress, He said "love your enemies", he forgave the people who crucified him! Etc.

 

[Spiderman]

As far as i can see your beef is with sharia, not islam.



Central african republic will do for a start regarding draconian christian religious laws.

My beef is with the Qua'ran and the atrocities of Muhammad, and Islamic laws that affect countless millions (especially women).

Yes, I have read about Christians in Africa killing homosexuals and such. That is disgusting and unchristian behavior!

 

[Estro Felino]

Do some research rather than following the right wing hate rhetoric.

Ah...les pays qui ont choisi la droite... quelle honte...

Comme ce Macron-la, qui nous a insultés, car nous avons elu les populistes...

Dis-lui de reconnaitre son hypocrisie, et de pas parler de haine.

 

[ChristineM]

Of course I accuse them of bigotry.
Anytime they start judging and condemning other Christians, condemning Idolators, atheists, non-christians, or people like me who pray to the dead, you bet I accuse them of bigotry!

But what I like about Jesus, is he is supposed to be their example; and unlike muhammad, Jesus didnt recruit an army to conquer and oppress, He said "love your enemies", he forgave the people who crucified him! Etc.

Ok, never seen you do that... Welcome to the club.

Oh my, you have fallen for the biblical Jesus hook line and sinker. What about the anarchist jesus, the sicari assassin jesus, the fourth philosophy terrorist jesus. Jesus the illegitimate son of a roman soldier. The jesus who was crucified for his crimes against the govenment and hence country?

 

[ChristineM]

Ah...les pays qui ont choisi la droite... quelle honte...

Comme ce Macron-la, qui nous a insultés, car nous avons elu les populistes...

Dis-lui de reconnaitre son hypocrisie, et de pas parler de haine.

Migrants : Macron défend ses choix et fustige la «lèpre» populiste en Europe

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le...x-et-fustige-la-lepre-populiste-en-europe.php


Now are you going to show where you copied and pasted your text from, or do we guess, or do we assume you made it up?

 

[stvdv]

@ChristineM + @PopeADope:

Hey you guys. Now you are fighting about who is fighting more: Christians or Muslims

 

[ChristineM]

My beef is with the Qua'ran and the atrocities of Muhammad, and Islamic laws that affect countless millions (especially women).

Yes, I have read about Christians in Africa killing homosexuals and such. That is disgusting and unchristian behavior!

Not so, islamic law, even sharia law considers islamic women equal to islamic men and of more worth than 2 non islamic islamic people. In some circumstances a womans rights outweigh a mans.

You really should study the laws you are trying to put down rather than believe the xenophobic nonsense drip fed by western media.

https://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/...ir-ul-Qadri-International-Women-Day-2011.html

You seem to be confusing the requirement for modesty to be somehow anti woman. In islamic teaching, modesty is a a way of protecting a women.

Actually, according to some interpretations of the bible, it is very christian behaviour

 

[ChristineM]

@ChristineM + @PopeADope:

Hey you guys. Now you are fighting about who is fighting more: Christians or Muslims

No, we are fighting over interpretation of the quran and western beliefs of a culture they (usually) fail to understand

 

[Estro Felino]

Migrants : Macron défend ses choix et fustige la «lèpre» populiste en Europe

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le...x-et-fustige-la-lepre-populiste-en-europe.php

La lèpre? Il parlait de nous les Italiens...Notre reponse est

 

[ChristineM]

La lèpre? Il parlait de nous les Italiens...Notre reponse est

A typical Italian response. I would expect little else.

P.s. you want to start an italy v france thread, go for it, dont derail this thread. Read the forum rules

 

[Spiderman]

Not so, islamic law, even sharia law considers islamic women equal to islamic men and of more worth than 2 non islamic islamic people. In some circumstances a womans rights outweigh a mans.

You really should study the laws you are trying to put down rather than believe the xenophobic nonsense drip fed by western media.

https://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/...ir-ul-Qadri-International-Women-Day-2011.html

You seem to be confusing the requirement for modesty to be somehow anti woman. In islamic teaching, modesty is a a way of protecting a women.

Actually, according to some interpretations of the bible, it is very christian behaviour

The requirements for burkas, not letting women drive, not letting them be educated, sex-slaves, and stoning them bothers me.

I know most Muslims don't do that, but I see it in Islam more than other Religions.

 

[Spiderman]

No, we are fighting over interpretation of the quran and western beliefs of a culture they (usually) fail to understand

The Qu'ran says to kill Idolaters, Islam is the only acceptable Religion, don't be friends with Jews, fight until Islam is the only Religion....People like me will be crucified, have their hands and feet chopped off, and boiling water poured on their skin.

I left quotes from the Qu'ran on the first page of this thread. How is that not obvious hate, cruelty, bigotry, and calls to violence?

You don't think that fuels some of the terrorism your country (France) and other nations have dealt with?