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What exactly is the difference…..

cardero

Citizen Mod
1. Between the authors of the Bible who prophesize in God”s name



2. A man named Jesus who seemed to be in very close contact with God



3. An Arab prophet by the name of Mohammed who went to establish the religion of Islam



4.To an upstate NY farmer by the name of Joseph Smith Jr. who helped establish the Mormon religion.



5. To a prophet named Nostradamus who used to preserve his prophecies to warn future generations of humankind.



6. To a middle of the century photographer named Edgar Cayce who used his gift from God to go into a meditative state to diagnose and prescribe cures successfully for people whom he never met.



7. To a radio station intern by the name of Neale Donald Walsch who wrote a series of books from his conversations with God.



8. To a man named John Edward who claims to speak with spirits of people who are deceased.



9. To a woman named Sylvia Brown who casts predictions of earth and social changes.

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I am going to borrow Linwood’s religion pie for a moment to bring out the illustration that there are not too many people who have established religions for examples 5-9 yet all of these examples claim some type of inspiration from God. Is it because prophets 5-9 are not well known yet? Do you think that many years from now people will establish popular movements of these recent prophets? Is there a certain convenience or credibility that the Biblical prophets have over some of these recent ones? Is it an advantage of time, popularity, faith or truth?



(This thread was inspired from Cynic’s Did You Ever Think That Maybe… discussion.)
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
jewscout said:
what is that pie based on? What source?
Um-It was Linwood!! Yeah that's it-I got it from Linwood. Jewscout if you are concerned about the Judaism slice I noticed that too. That can't be correct but that is not what I am using the pie for.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
The difference, of course, is that we can find qualitative differences in the content of various prophets' messages combined with canonical interpretations of the prophesies that are mutually exclusive.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
cardero said:
Um-It was Linwood!! Yeah that's it-I got it from Linwood. Jewscout if you are concerned about the Judaism slice I noticed that too. That can't be correct but that is not what I am using the pie for.
i'm just curious...not that i'd be surprised if that were really the percentage, i mean there are only about 14 million jews in the whole world!
 

anders

Well-Known Member
cardero said:
Jewscout if you are concerned about the Judaism slice I noticed that too. That can't be correct but that is not what I am using the pie for.
The Judaism average is on the high side for Sweden, I suppose we're to about 0.20%, but for visibility, it's 0,0%.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
cardero said:
1. Between the authors of the Bible who prophesize in God”s name



2. A man named Jesus who seemed to be in very close contact with God



3. An Arab prophet by the name of Mohammed who went to establish the religion of Islam



4.To an upstate NY farmer by the name of Joseph Smith Jr. who helped establish the Mormon religion.



5. To a prophet named Nostradamus who used to preserve his prophecies to warn future generations of humankind.



6. To a middle of the century photographer named Edgar Cayce who used his gift from God to go into a meditative state to diagnose and prescribe cures successfully for people whom he never met.



7. To a radio station intern by the name of Neale Donald Walsch who wrote a series of books from his conversations with God.



8. To a man named John Edward who claims to speak with spirits of people who are deceased.



9. To a woman named Sylvia Brown who casts predictions of earth and social changes.



I am going to borrow Linwood’s religion pie for a moment to bring out the illustration that there are not too many people who have established religions for examples 5-9 yet all of these examples claim some type of inspiration from God. Is it because prophets 5-9 are not well known yet? Do you think that many years from now people will establish popular movements of these recent prophets? Is there a certain convenience or credibility that the Biblical prophets have over some of these recent ones? Is it an advantage of time, popularity, faith or truth?



(This thread was inspired from Cynic’s Did You Ever Think That Maybe… discussion.)
Well, example 4 concerns Joseph Smith. Smith made no claim to a new Revelation, he spoke with the authority of Jesus Christ, so is a "lesser" prophet, like Isaiah, Malachi, Daniel, Peter, Paul and Timothy, among others.

Example 5, Nostradamus made no claim to revelation from God at all.

Example 6 Edgar Cayce did his healings through Christian belief and claimed to be able to read the records of all who have lived. This was not even a lesser prophecy, since he never spoke for God at all.

Example 7 is a medium, not a prophet.

Example 8, ????? I think he is speaking figuratively and symbolically, not claiming a new revelation.

Example 9, Ms. Brown makes no claim to prophethood, she is a medium.

Your first three examples of course, are 1) God and Those Who claimed to speak FOR God, They are what I would call "Greater" Prophets Who lay claim to a Revelation direct from God and are entirely seperate from 5-9, above.

Popular movements are of many kinds - political, philosophical, social, spiritual and religious. They do not all equate with one another.

Regards,
Scott
 
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