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What happened to California's schools?

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Back in the days of the dinosaurs, I went to California public schools from kindergarten to high school graduation.

At the time, California public schools were rated the best, or one of the best public education systems in the country.

Today, the California taxpayer is barraged by much, much higher taxes, about the highest in the nation, yet their public schools now are rated next to last.

Why?
 

SoyLeche

meh...
You should look for things that better allow you to compare California to itself - like graduation rates or standardized test scores.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Where is the evidence that they were the best several years ago.

if they have fallen in the rankings is that because they have gotten worse or because other states have gotten better?
Good question. I will see what I can find from 55 years ago, when I graduated.

I do remember very clearly a large number of comments to the effect that this was the case
from school officials and from Newspaper articles.
All the adults seemed very proud of it
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Back in the days of the dinosaurs, I went to California public schools from kindergarten to high school graduation.

At the time, California public schools were rated the best, or one of the best public education systems in the country.

Today, the California taxpayer is barraged by much, much higher taxes, about the highest in the nation, yet their public schools now are rated next to last.

Why?

Was pre-1960/70?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Back in the days of the dinosaurs, I went to California public schools from kindergarten to high school graduation.

At the time, California public schools were rated the best, or one of the best public education systems in the country.

Today, the California taxpayer is barraged by much, much higher taxes, about the highest in the nation, yet their public schools now are rated next to last.

Why?

The problem with taxes is how they're spent. 1,000 used wisely can do more and go further than 10,000 squandered.
We wouldn't have to worry about taxes being raised so much if we were more smarter and more efficient with the current tax flow. Divert taxes from waste, such as our bloated military, open new sources of revenue, such as legalization and taxation of cannabis, etc.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Back in the days of the dinosaurs, I went to California public schools from kindergarten to high school graduation.

At the time, California public schools were rated the best, or one of the best public education systems in the country.

Today, the California taxpayer is barraged by much, much higher taxes, about the highest in the nation, yet their public schools now are rated next to last.

Why?
Democrates.

Sorry, but that's what happened.
 

Yazata

Active Member
Back in the days of the dinosaurs, I went to California public schools from kindergarten to high school graduation.

Me too.

At the time, California public schools were rated the best, or one of the best public education systems in the country.

One of the best, certainly.

Today, the California taxpayer is barraged by much, much higher taxes, about the highest in the nation, yet their public schools now are rated next to last.

Below the national average, certainly.

One thing that it shows, right out of the gate, is that school performance isn't directly proportional to school spending. DC per-pupil spending rivals any state, but DC schools rank lower than pretty much all of them in test scores and things like that.


My own high school district (in Silicon valley) was once one of the best in the US. One high school in particular (not mine) was filled with the children of local scientists and engineers and was a national STEM powerhouse (before STEM was a thing). It was known as the school where all the brains went, kind of a school where nerds could be cool. Then the district started bussing in kids from poorer communities as part of some grand social equity scheme. Racial tensions skyrocketed, school violence went from nothing to a constant threat, and the scientists and engineers started pulling their kids out and enrolling them in private school whenever they could. Classes that once had emphasized advanced-placement and college-prep started leaning towards remedial.

The school's effective death came when its always abundant immigrant students, once dominated by high achieving Asian kids, became dominated by kids, often not even in the country legally, who had received little or no formal education wherever they came from and in many/most cases didn't even speak English. Illiterate (even in their native language) 16 year olds were being put in high school classes because they weren't socially appropriate for more academically appropriate first grade classrooms. Kids, often from war-torn places, who had learned to survive with their fists, their gangs and by being as bad-*** as possible, intimidating others. And teachers were expected to make everything right. So the best teachers started leaving too.

The enlightened and oh-so-superior "educators" had succeeded in turning one of the best high schools in the United States into one of the worst. All while patting each other on the back for their superior morality and woke sensibilities.
 
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shmogie

Well-Known Member
Me too.



One of the best, certainly.



Below the national average, certainly.

One thing that it shows, right out of the gate, is that school performance isn't directly proportional to school spending. DC per-pupil spending rivals any state, but DC schools rank lower than pretty much all of them in test scores and things like that.



My own high school district (in Silicon valley) was once one of the best in the US. One high school in particular (not mine) was filled with the children of local scientists and engineers and was a national STEM powerhouse (before STEM was a thing). It was known as the school where all the brains went, kind of a school where nerds could be cool. Then the district started bussing in kids from poorer communities as part of some grand social equity scheme. Racial tensions skyrocketed, school violence went from nothing to a constant threat, and the scientists and engineers started pulling their kids out and enrolling them in private school whenever they could. Classes that once had emphasized advanced-placement and college-prep started leaning towards remedial.

The school's effective death came when its always abundant immigrant students, once dominated by high achieving Asian kids, became dominated by kids, often not even in the country legally, who had received little or no formal education wherever they came from and in many/most cases didn't even speak English. Illiterate (even in their native language) 16 year olds were being put in high school classes because they weren't socially appropriate for more academically appropriate first grade classrooms. Kids, often from war-torn places, who had learned to survive with their fists, their gangs and by being as bad-*** as possible, intimidating others. And teachers were expected to make everything right. So the best teachers started leaving too.

The enlightened and oh-so-superior "educators" had succeeded in turning one of the best high schools in the United States into one of the worst. All while patting each other on the back for their superior morality and woke sensibilities.
Social engineering for some nebulous idea that trumps educational goals and policies, that truly is destructive is total nonsense.

Putting kids who cannot speak English, and are culturally ignorant, because of some esoteric sense of equality is expensive, counter productive for the student, and the other students.

Special schools to educate these kids beginning with where they are at in knowledge would be best.

However, these would be portrayed as racist concentration camps.

The social justice warriors have one goal, and they refuse to see the serious problems that are sometimes created by their nonsense.

Consider, they want open borders so the world may share the spoils of the American taxpayer, yet they also demand perfect safety for Americans from the corona virus. Chinese citizens are being found attempting to cross the border illegally. Trump was called a racist for blocking Chinese citizens legally come to the US.

I am a southern Californian ( most don't understand the state is two states) but I left the state for good over 20 years ago.

A few years after I graduated, my school district began bussing. I find it interesting that your district in Northern California experienced the same kind of violence on a rising scale seemingly as a result.

Before she retired, my wife was a school district business manager. Teacher positions were eliminated to hire translators for this influx of kids from a different nation, a different history, a different culture. They may become excellent citizens, but just chucking them into the deep water without preparation doesn't make sense.

As you point out re DC, per spending has no correlation in making students more successful.

Then there are the monolithic teachers unions whose members demand more, and more, yet the more they get, the poorer student performance.

In the SOCAL districts with which I am familiar, union teachers (they are all union teachers) cannot be evaluated on performance. It is virtually impossible to fire one of them.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The problem with taxes is how they're spent. 1,000 used wisely can do more and go further than 10,000 squandered.
We wouldn't have to worry about taxes being raised so much if we were more smarter and more efficient with the current tax flow. Divert taxes from waste, such as our bloated military, open new sources of revenue, such as legalization and taxation of cannabis, etc.
Perhaps
 
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