What Happens When We Die?

[Aupmanyav]

If'n that would be that you didn't burn !

By then, I would already have been safely cremated according to the proper procedure and rituals and would have merged with my ancestors and in the cosmos, Brahman. There won't be anything left for any hateful God to burn.

I think that anyone telling you otherwise is just telling you their sincere hopes, delusional thinking, or is outright lying to you.

Or might be telling you what is scientific.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Well I believe we are to respect the superior authorities unless in conflict with gods laws
Acts 5:28-29.
Jesus preached about gods kingdom (government) and said it was no part of this world
John 18:36
this kingdom would destroy these governments or kingdoms
Daniel 2:44
we are ambassadors for Christ kingdom
2 Corinthians 5:20
Now the question is since we are substituting for Christs kingdom would he be involved in politics? what did he do when they tried to make him king? Which kingdom do we show loyalty to?
John 6:15
Jesus is waiting for his kingdom to act and so are we awaiting his kingdom to take over.
Daniel 2:44
Also do not forget that this good news of the "kingdom" will be preached in all the earth before the end comes
Matthew 24:14
Babylon the great Who is she? And how did she commit fornication with the kings of the earth?
I believe it is the religious empire of false religion that has mixed in with the kings of the earth

Let's see to what your saying, you believe that no Christian should not do anything, but set back and do nothing, You got to be kidding.
Have you any idea when Matthew 24:14, will take place ?

In speaking about, "Babylon the Great"
And who is she.
She is the mother of Confusion, That's leading the kings of the earth and people of the earth into confusion.

 

[`mud]

On the first Wednesday of July 2020
Now take a nap, I think you're tired ....

 

[Aupmanyav]

He is possessed and not tired.

 

[Katzpur]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (LDS Church) or Mormonism, teaches that those who die without knowledge of LDS theology will have the opportunity to receive a knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ in the spirit world.
Source: Encyclopedia of Mormonism :: Encyclopedia of Mormonism

Why didn't you say so the first time?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Because I found out this after our exchange. I had read it earlier but checked to make sure.

 

[Trailblazer]

You ask, does God hate atheists.
Let's see, if someone came cursing and slandering and denying you, would you love them ?
Let's say, your out and someone came up to you and cursing you and putting their fist in your face, you would throw your arms around them loving them, all the while their beating you with their fist and cursing you ?

And you ask, does God hate Atheists ?

What's up with all that Go Figure ?

God is not a human. Making God into a human is called anthropomorphizing. You cannot compare God to a human and assume that God would feel the same way a human feels in a similar situation.

God is fully self-sufficient, above the need for any of His Creatures, or their love. If we love God, God’s love can reach us, but that is because we are not shutting God out. If we shut God out, God does not force us to love Him:

5: O SON OF BEING! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovestMe not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah

God nurtures each person, no matter to what religion he belongs, and including atheists or materialists
"How ignorant therefore the thought that God who created man, educated and nurtured him, surrounded him with all blessings, made the sun and all phenomenal existence for his benefit, bestowed upon him tenderness and kindness, and then did not love him. This is palpable ignorance, for no matter to what religion a man belongs even though he be an atheist or materialist nevertheless God nurtures him, bestows His kindness and sheds upon him His light."
('Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. 8, issue 7, p. 78)

 

[Trailblazer]

Faithofchristian said: Have you, yourself ever ask or wondered why are you here. for what reason are you here ?
Now let me ask you, Why are we here ?

Off the top of my head, I am here on earth to grow spiritually and to help others on their spiritual paths in anyway possible. I would also like to get closer to God before I die. I ran away from God for most of my life, now it is time to start running towards.

I indeed do ask myself that, but I can't find a sensible answer. I have made such a mess of my life - some very good parts too - that I have to wonder why? However, I have tracked most of my issues down to problems (and experiences) in childhood, and which appear to have been resolved after much heartache. I could hardly be in a better place than I am now, mentally and mostly physically, when all indications from earlier on would never have suggested this happening.

Ditto on all of that, especially this part: “I could hardly be in a better place than I am now, mentally and mostly physically, when all indications from earlier on would never have suggested this happening.”

I just keep popping up like a bad penny, huh?

Hence my reluctance to dismiss karma, although I probably don't deserve to be where I am currently given the amount of trouble and hurt I have probably caused in the past.

I do not know what you have done but God alone knows where you deserve to BE and that is exactly where you are AT.

But, that is gone, such that I just have to accept this. All I can do is aim to make the rest of my life as worthwhile for myself and others as possible. I've never found a need for any religious belief or any having any effect on my life. I would add however, that the few who have been less judgmental have been those with a strong Christian belief, which I can only applaud. I try to do the same but without such beliefs.

You do pretty well from what I have seen.

That is what I am also doing and planning to do. I feel like you are my mirror image. It’s so nice to run into people this way on these forums. It is pretty rare, but none of my mirror images have been of my religion. There was one other man that I can recall who was very much like me. He considered himself a Christian but he was about as liberal as they come, believing like I do that we are all loved by God regardless of our beliefs or non-beliefs.

I have the religious belief but I do not consider myself religions. I simply believe in the teachings and try to live according to the teachings and laws.

I can quite easily live with doubt - concerning all manner of things.

It is better to be in doubt than in error.

PS. I am sorry about earlier. I rarely do get angry now.

Me neither...

 

[Mock Turtle]

I just keep popping up like a bad penny, huh?

Seen worse.

I do not know what you have done but God alone knows where you deserve to BE and that is exactly where you are AT.

I can accept that.

You do pretty well from what I have seen.

Ta, not always appreciated.

That is what I am also doing and planning to do. I feel like you are my mirror image. It’s so nice to run into people this way on these forums. It is pretty rare, but none of my mirror images have been of my religion. There was one other man that I can recall who was very much like me. He considered himself a Christian but he was about as liberal as they come, believing like I do that we are all loved by God regardless of our beliefs or non-beliefs.

Ditto. I suspect we are inverse in beliefs but rather much the same in our thoughts.

It is better to be in doubt than in error.

Yes, I'm trying to make up for the latter.

 

[Faithofchristian]

God is not a human. Making God into a human is called anthropomorphizing. You cannot compare God to a human and assume that God would feel the same way a human feels in a similar situation.

God is fully self-sufficient, above the need for any of His Creatures, or their love. If we love God, God’s love can reach us, but that is because we are not shutting God out. If we shut God out, God does not force us to love Him:

5: O SON OF BEING! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovestMe not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah

God nurtures each person, no matter to what religion he belongs, and including atheists or materialists
"How ignorant therefore the thought that God who created man, educated and nurtured him, surrounded him with all blessings, made the sun and all phenomenal existence for his benefit, bestowed upon him tenderness and kindness, and then did not love him. This is palpable ignorance, for no matter to what religion a man belongs even though he be an atheist or materialist nevertheless God nurtures him, bestows His kindness and sheds upon him His light."
('Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. 8, issue 7, p. 78)

God created us in the likeness and image of him.
Therefore you can compare God to us.
Seeing how we are created in the likeness and image of God.

God loves those, who loves him.

"For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life"
John 3:16.

Now notice ( whosoever believes in him)

Now as to how does Atheists fit into that, seeing that Atheists do not believe in God and Christ Jesus ?
Therefore God loves those, who loves him.

 

[`mud]

The difference between Christianity and Athieism is an Atheist exhibits morality,
and the believers don't give it, watch inflation, taxes on the poor, soc.sec. low, and the benefits for the elderally with their insurance costs, at twenty thou a year. Gas going up, rapidly.
Watch the property taxes next year, and some, this year. Good restaurants, not offordable, on twenty thou a year ? twelve dollars for a glass of wine, twenty bucks for sirloin ??? not on twenty thou a year....I got lost there...
where were we when we were without words wondering why ??
Oh...morality...a lot of loss of that. If you've possession of a bible...one must first practice the `acts`, less hate for the beliefs of others, most of them aren't Christians, like you people with Christ Jesus..
Atheists don't `hate` other religious people, we marvel at the moranity of their beliefs. At least come up with an idol that has transparancy and honesty in it's image, there is none.
From where do wars come ? From hate of others, because we kill, for hate and in hate.
The poor don't start war, they fight the wars, they die in those wars, and are maimed and crippled. And there's a lot Christians dieing also, with less hatred than most, but dead no less.
Our `hates` aim at other countries, yellow, tan, brown, black.......but not toward whites, Jews excluded. There's a special meaning for that belief, the after _OD before Jesus Christ meaning.
Atheists don't hate other religions, they marvel at them, and their dreams of surviving life....
NuffStuff

 

[Truthseeker]

God created us in the likeness and image of him.
Therefore you can compare God to us.
Seeing how we are created in the likeness and image of God.

God loves those, who loves him.

"For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life"
John 3:16.

Now notice ( whosoever believes in him)

Now as to how does Atheists fit into that, seeing that Atheists do not believe in God and Christ Jesus ?
Therefore God loves those, who loves him.

Just because the atheist does not believe in Jesus Christ and does not have everlasting life does not mean that God does not love them. This doesn't follow. Atheists have made their own choice, and they've got to live with it, but God wishes the best for them.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Just because the atheist does not believe in Jesus Christ and does not have everlasting life does not mean that God does not love them. This doesn't follow. Atheists have made their own choice, and they've got to live with it, but God wishes the best for them.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Notice ( Whosoever believes in him)
Now as to how does Atheists fit into this, seeing Atheists do not believe in God.

 

[Naama]

I just got to thinking, what exactly happens to us after we die? I don't mean our bodies. What I mean is, what happens to our "soul" after we die? Do you think it goes to Heaven or Hell? Do you think it gets reincarnated until we achieve Nirvana? Or do you think nothing happens? Or something else? Please put what you think below and possibly an explanation if you feel motivated enough to do so. Thank you!

I don't know. God never told us. But we who follow the Torah do know that those obedient to him will have a place later. But I'm unsure about people like myself who aren't obedient to him.

 

[Naama]

Just because the atheist does not believe in Jesus Christ and does not have everlasting life does not mean that God does not love them. This doesn't follow. Atheists have made their own choice, and they've got to live with it, but God wishes the best for them.

Are you sure they made a choice? Do we choose to believe?

 

[Truthseeker]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Notice ( Whosoever believes in him)
Now as to how does Atheists fit into this, seeing Atheists do not believe in God.

Then why does God ask us to love our enemies? Would He ask that of us if He didn't do that? You should love the atheists because God asks you to.

 

[Naama]

Then why does God ask us to love our enemies? Would He ask that of us if He didn't do that? You should love the atheists because God asks you to.

Is loving someone because you where told to real love though?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Then why does God ask us to love our enemies? Would He ask that of us if He didn't do that? You should love the atheists because God asks you to.

In what way are you to love your enemies ?

To love your enemies, is to correct them in their error.
Let's say, you have an enemy, the best way to show them that you love them, is to correct them in their error.

It's like what Trump did with North Korea, where as North Korea thought Trump would be a push over, Trump correct North Korea in their error.thats how you love your enemies, correct them in the error of their way.
You show your enemies, you want respect, then you give respect. It's that simple.

Ok, so let's take Atheists for a good example,
To love an Atheist, is for me to show them the error of their way by love, And that's all I am required to do or for anyone, is to show them the error of their way. If they want to live that way, that's on them, I did what I was required to do and that's as far as it goes.

But as far as to consider atheists as my enemies, I never considered them as a enemy.
Unless they come at me to do bodily harm. Then I will correct them in the error of the way real fast, if they want respect then give respect. It's that simple.

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: You do pretty well from what I have seen.

Ta, not always appreciated.

That’s a shame.

Trailblazer said: That is what I am also doing and planning to do. I feel like you are my mirror image. It is so nice to run into people this way on these forums. It is pretty rare, but none of my mirror images have been of my religion. There was one other man that I can recall who was very much like me. He considered himself a Christian but he was about as liberal as they come, believing like I do that we are all loved by God regardless of our beliefs or non-beliefs.

Ditto. I suspect we are inverse in beliefs but rather much the same in our thoughts.

Seemingly inverse in beliefs but there is more than meets the eye.
There is a good reason I prefer to hang out with NONbelievers rather than believers.

Trailblazer said: It is better to be in doubt than in error.

Yes, I'm trying to make up for the latter.

Hmmmm... That sounds like many nonbelievers I know who were formerly Christians. I do not know what your error was.

I am also making up for my errors but my errors are probably not the same as your errors.

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: God is not a human. Making God into a human is called anthropomorphizing. You cannot compare God to a human and assume that God would feel the same way a human feels in a similar situation.

God created us in the likeness and image of him.
Therefore you can compare God to us.
Seeing how we are created in the likeness and image of God.

What “created in the image of God” means is that we have some of God’s Attributes, but we do not have all of God’s Attributes; if we did we would be God.

Here are some of God’s Attributes that are unique to God: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, All-powerful, Everywhere-present, All-Wise, All-Knowing, Simple (one in essence), Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Immaterial.

Here are some of God’s Attributes that humans can have: Goodness, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Forgiving, Patient.

God loves those, who loves him.
"For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life"
John 3:16.
Now notice (whosoever believes in him)

Now notice (for God so loved the world)... That means God loves everyone, believers and nonbelievers.

Now as to how does Atheists fit into that, seeing that Atheists do not believe in God and Christ Jesus ?
Therefore God loves those, who loves him.

We are talking about something different when we talk about eternal life. Everyone does not have eternal life, and that is because they are not close to God. But God still loves them nevertheless.God does not give love to get love because God does not need love. God loves everyone regardless of whether we love Him, but God’s love cannot reach us if we shut God out.

But God does not give up on people. God is patient. He just waits.

I believe that Jesus wanted his followers to have eternal life, a quality of life that implies leading a spiritual life and nearness to God.

Christian doctrines made salvation all about going to heaven in order to avoid hell, whereas salvation according to Jesus is gaining eternal life, which refers to a quality of life and not its duration. Jesus said to act in such a way that you may find eternal life, and that you may be born of water and the spirit, so that you may enter into the Kingdom (John 3:5). Eternal life is the gaining of rewards in this life and in the hereafter; so we can have eternal life in this world and in the spiritual worlds to come.

The rewards of this life are the virtues and perfections that man acquires when he is delivered from his animal nature and lives according to his spiritual nature. The rewards of the next world are peace, the spiritual graces, the various spiritual gifts, the gaining of the desires of the heart and the soul, and the meeting of God. Those who are deprived of these rewards, although their soul continues to exist after death, are considered as dead, because they are spiritually dead.

It is possible for atheists to come close to God in the afterlife but there are no guarantees, because it depends upon the loving mercy of God, not upon God’s justice.

683. We Can Help Every Soul Attain High Station

“Concerning your question whether a soul can receive knowledge of the Truth in the world beyond. Such a knowledge is surely possible, and is but a sign of the loving mercy of the Almighty. We can, through our prayers, help every soul to gradually attain this high station, even if it has failed to reach it in this world. The progress of the soul does not come to an end with death. It rather starts along a new line. Bahá'u'lláh teaches that great and far-reaching possibilities await the soul in the other world. Spiritual progress in that realm is infinite, and no man, while on this earth, can visualize its full power and extent.”

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, May 22, 1935)
Lights of Guidance (second part)