Thief
Rogue Theologian
Granted to all points but that last line.....
Were you referring to the 'angelic' as apparent ego?
I think heaven is more apparent that most people belief.
But I believe in heaven.
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What Happens When You Die?
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Granted to all points but that last line.....
Were you referring to the 'angelic' as apparent ego?
I think heaven is more apparent that most people belief.
But I believe in heaven.
godnotgod
Thou art That
No. I've got it right. All of the elements of Manifest Destiny are contained in Deut 12-20. No mistake.
godnotgod
Thou art That
The problem is that the game is taken seriously, and all hell literally breaks loose. The actors become locked into the drama, thinking it real, while forgetting their true natures, to the point of killing for the cause they firmly believe is righteous. Can you name one genocide, one war, one pogrom, in which the perpetrators did not think they were doing the right and good thing, as twisted as their rationale for doing so may seem?
But some of us have awakened to the horror show right in our own house, and so it is up to us to attempt to awaken those who have fallen asleep and are acting out the dramas.
Please note that Mr. Watts began by stating that human history has been a futile conflict, this the result of it having no real justifiable basis for such conflict. We are indoctrinated to believe that we should die for some cause, doctrine, or idol, that this is the noble thing to do. But our 'enemies' have been equally taught. We, as well as they, have created a concept of The Good. Having done so, we (and they) have automatically also created a concept of what is Evil. Having done so, we and they must now fight Evil, as dictated by The Good, but this only makes 'Evil' stronger. And so, it is said, the wise never try to do moral Good.
godnotgod
Thou art That
This was your original statement to which I initially responded:
Originally Posted by Muffled
I believe that is one thing I love about God is that He speaks the truth and that word of truth can be found in the Bible. THe Bible was the source that led me to God.
'That which you are seeking is what is causing you to seek.'
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Then you clearly haven't read that the Baha'i scriptures say.
Bruce
Actually, I'm just never sure how other people see me. Some see me as a "good" person. Others see me as rude/mean/disrespectful.
However from my view, I treat everyone the same. So I get surprised at the variety of judgements that get placed on me.
Apparent ego just pertains to my belief that the understanding of who I am and who you are is temporary. The truth to be revealed at a later date. At a time when all the judgements cast upon one another can be forgiven because we will realize how superficial those judgements were.
The serious part then would be to get people to wake up to what you just said. I don't know how else to do this other then go through life being the person that has this understanding. As best as one can anyway.
I suppose that is what I admire about the persona of Jesus. In the story of Jesus, he was able to be that person. Sometimes I get sad that some use Jesus as their icon in the game of black and white.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Been there...and may still be there.
Just recently a fellow employee noted he didn't want to get into the personality games going on in the shop.
He spoke as if I might be involved.
I had to point out ( I rarely say so otherwise), as a theologian the personality games are not allowed.
If the other guy appears to have one up and running....I'm not the source.
Still, as I might be the target of the game....I can't wash my hands of it.
With that in mind....so comes judgment.
As you have said...some of what we are is temporary.
Some of it can be forgiven....some of it will never be forgotten.
I believe in heaven.
I would like to think most of us make it there.
But some....don't even believe in themselves.
Deborah Smith
New Member
The Bible says those who are born again (saved) by believing in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ are forgiven and will go to Heaven when they die, but those who have not believed the Gospel will die in their sin and go to Hell.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, Acts 16:31
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, Acts 16:31
godnotgod
Thou art That
The doctrine of redemption via blood sacrifice is based on ignorance, superstition, and pagan ideas. Not only is this about blood sacrifice, but about the murder of God himself in the flesh, and then deemed as a holy act. How much more pagan can one get than to not just murder the deity, but to drink his blood and eat his flesh to boot?
This is based on a false idea that the blood contains the life-force, and the blood of a divine being is holy, sacred, and redemptive, all of which are myths existing prior to the appearance of Christianity.
In the East, the life-force is not in the blood, but in the breath. Breath is consciousness itself, and so, blood sacrifice, along with its companion, the washing of oneself in the 'blood of Jesus', is seen as a disgusting act.
The doctrine of redemptive blood sacrifice is one that was written over the pure teachings of Yeshu, which not only did not include blood sacrifice, but did not include the doctrine of the virgin birth, nor of bodily resurrection as well. Yeshu's teachings were a breath-based practice, and because they did not have wide appeal, were destroyed by Rome and St. Paul, with blood sacrifice put in its place. Now all one had to do was to submit to 'Jesus Christ' as one's personal Lord and Savior, and you were 'saved'. No one had to know anything. Just blindly believe and it was so. Simple, and exactly how the Roman governors could control their people, another reason why Pauline Christianity was adopted as the state religion. On top of that, here was a simple device to lure the tens of thousands of Mithraic pagans who already had the promise of eternal life in Mithra, into Paul's new religion.
BTW, this is exactly how the politicians (Republicans?) dupe the Christians in our modern day, making them think they are doing something in accord with Jesus's teachings. Not.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
As this was your first post.....in all fairness....
As a rogue theologian, I've been raised up with the speech you have presented.
When I first saw it....as pronounced by Jesus....
I see a miscommunication between the Carpenter and that congregation.
He was pronouncing a metaphor.
They were taking it literally.
They then sought His immediate death.
Some gospels detail the event differently.
The one I favor.....He walked back through the crowd....and no man could lay hold of Him.
THAT is not the work of a lame prophet.
Walking through an angered crowd and no one could stop Him!
As for the metaphor.....indeed.
We are what we consume.
If we partake in spirit as He did....we will be as He is.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is no doubt that God intended to enlarge the borders of Israel and history shows that happened but that does not mean that God does that as a policy or that it referes to any other people.
As for a concept of manifest destiny I believe God does know the future and at times will tell people what that is so it could be called that but that does not mean that it is the same concept of Manifest Destiny that some in the USA concocted to justify taking land from foreign elements.
I believe that verse does not justify other statements that were made either.
Muffled
Jesus in me
This statement is in error. I wasn't seeking God or truth. I was taught the Bible in Sunday School. As a child I believed in innocence what I was taught and put it into practice. I did not love God at the time; I feared Him. It was much later after I got to know God better that I realized He is the truth and His word is truth and that word can be found in the Bible.
However there was a time when I sought God but the cause was a personal need. (Isn't that usually why people seek God?) The Bible or God did not cause me to seek Him but they did provide an understanding that He could be sought.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe If the Baha'i scriptures contradict the Bible then they are not from God.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
God is not the problem; man is. It is man who creates a concept of God in his image and in his favor, under whose authority man can then 'justifiably' take over a neighboring country. That's what the Jews did then, and what Americans did to the Indians. There is no difference. Man is forbidden to kill, but it is OK when God does it, as the Deluge and other mass deaths attributed to God are testament to. This God is nothing more than a projection from the mind of man.
'foreign elements'? your wording is telltale. Who are the 'foreigners'? Obviously those who are directed by Manifest Destiny, and not the indigenous people.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
You just haven't awakened yet to the reality of seeker and that which is sought being one and the same. When you awaken, there will no longer be a seeker.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
That is why I do not like metaphors or ambiguous prophecies like that of Nostradamus. Say what you want to say in clear, unambiguous, simple language.One says something, and people understand differently.
Been trying to do that here at the forum for the past five years.
There's a lot of nay saying in response.
I think that's why the Carpenter taught the crowd in metaphor.
Reduces the immediate knee jerk response.
Even a metaphor can set people off.
That very first speaking didn't go well for Him.
He spoke of blood.
They took Him to a steep fall with intention of throwing Him over the edge.
THEN He turned about and walked through that angry crowd.
and no one could lay hold of Him.
(As a black belt of such an art....THAT would be difficult.)
His parables after that, were sometimes received well, sometimes not.
godnotgod
Thou art That
There is no cliff/precipice; Nazareth is in a valley. It's poppycock:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html#sthash.3t4t9WlU.dpuf
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]" ... and brought him to the precipice of the mountain that their city was built upon." – Luke 4.29.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nazareth, in fact, is located in a depression, set within gentle hills. The whole region is characterized by plains and mild rises with no sharp peaks or steep cliffs. The terrain is correctly understood as a high basin, for in one direction is the much lower Plain of Esdraelon. But there is no disguising Nazareth is built in a valley and not on a mountain. Even the mediaeval town sat below the summit – protected from the wind. Beginning only in 1957, the Jewish suburb called 'Nazerat Illit' ('Upper Nazareth') was built to the top of the hills to the east of the city. [/FONT][/FONT]
- See more at: Nazareth – The Town that Theology Built