What Happens When You Die?

[godnotgod]

White man speak with forked tongue......(again).
Old Indian saying.

I bet sailors had a catch phrase for it too.....something like.....'walk the plank'!

Try using YOUR limited mind and step up to Something Greater.

'You' still think 'you' aren't really there......don't 'you'?

I am not 'there'; I am 'here'. But you are not 'here' because your mind is fantasizing on some future paradise based on some belief system you got from others.

There is no step I can take to get to 'Something Greater'; 'Something Greater' is already here, now, as it was in the beginning, is now, and always will be, world without end, Amen. Any steps you take will only lead you further astray, as you obviously are.

So Goodbye, Thief. Let it be understood by all who read your posts that everything you say is based on BELIEF, and not fact nor direct experience. You BELIEVE in an afterlife, but you have nothing to show that it is the case.

You may BELIEVE that the pool contains water, and leap to your death based on that. On the other hand, you ARE here, now. That is reality. If you wish, you can follow your own advice to prove that you are here, now, by banging your head repeatedly into a brick wall. :banghead3 Then again, it might be all a bad dream from which you really should make efforts to awaken from.

 

[Thief]

I am not 'there'; I am 'here'. But you are not 'here' because your mind is fantasizing on some future paradise based on some belief system you got from others.

There is no step I can take to get to 'Something Greater'; 'Something Greater' is already here, now, as it was in the beginning, is now, and always will be, world without end, Amen. Any steps you take will only lead you further astray, as you obviously are.

So Goodbye, Thief. Let it be understood by all who read your posts that everything you say is based on BELIEF, and not fact nor direct experience. You BELIEVE in an afterlife, but you have nothing to show that it is the case.

You may BELIEVE that the pool contains water, and leap to your death based on that. On the other hand, you ARE here, now. That is reality. If you wish, you can follow your own advice to prove that you are here, now, by banging your head repeatedly into a brick wall. :banghead3 Then again, it might be all a bad dream from which you really should make efforts to awaken from.

Yeah right.

And 'you' still don't exist.....yeah right....

 

[godnotgod]

Yeah right.

And 'you' still don't exist.....yeah right....

"OMG! It's empty, and it's full of stars!"
2001 A Space Odyssey

 

[Thief]

"OMG! It's empty, and it's full of stars!"
2001 A Space Odyssey

Saw the flick.
Kubrick had imagination.
How about you?

 

[godnotgod]

Saw the flick.
Kubrick had imagination.
How about you?

Kubrick was a genius.

I know when my imagination is connected to reality, and when it comes out of fantasizing. I don't allow myself to indulge in fantasies about an afterlife.

How about you?

 

[Farrukh]

In a recent interview, famed medical doctor and spiritualist Deepak Chopra stated the following.....

When someone begins to die the Angel of Death or Izraeel comes to take the soul out of the body and puts it in a place called the Barzakh. "Say: 'The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls. Then shall you be brought back to your Lord." (32:11) "Wherever you are, Death will find you out, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! " (4:78)

 

[godnotgod]

When someone begins to die the Angel of Death or Izraeel comes to take the soul out of the body and puts it in a place called the Barzakh. "Say: 'The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls. Then shall you be brought back to your Lord." (32:11) "Wherever you are, Death will find you out, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! " (4:78)

Interesting....is this something you merely believe, is it just a metaphor, or have you had an encounter with this 'Angel of Death'? What does this angel look like?

When did we ever leave the Lord that an Angel of Death, no less, comes to take it back to him?

 

[Thief]

Kubrick was a genius.

I know when my imagination is connected to reality, and when it comes out of fantasizing. I don't allow myself to indulge in fantasies about an afterlife.

How about you?

It's there.
Otherwise, Man is a mystery without resolve.
No point in having so many unique individuals only to have them all fall to dust.

 

[Muffled]

However, God is One, Supreme, and without equal or rival! There is thus no "devil" out there competing with Him or trying to “get us.”

And "satan" merely refers to our own lower (animal) nature when we give it control instead of our higher (spiritual) nature.

Peace,

Bruce

I believe that much.

I believe if God did not have a rival this earth would be a good place to live.

I believe the Bible refers to him as a person and if any scripture contradicts that then it is not the word of God.

Between us there is a wonderful bond but I don't believe peace wil be known until one knows the Prince of Peace.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, I know you BELIEVE that, but the question is WHY you do. Do you even understand the nature of your own motivation for doing so?

I believe what the Bible says because I love God.

 

[Muffled]

But I know from Bible "He is before all and all subsist in Him".

I believe that is true but then comes free will which has a tendency to not be in harmony with God. So even though evil subsists it does not obey.

 

[godnotgod]

I believe what the Bible says because I love God.

What does loving God have to do with belief in the Bible?

 

[godnotgod]

It's there.
Otherwise, Man is a mystery without resolve.
No point in having so many unique individuals only to have them all fall to dust.

Your logic is erroneous. That there are many who fall to the dust does not automatically mean there is an afterlife. You're just making that up because your ego wants to perpetuate itself after you die.

That everyone falls into the dust and that is the end is an illusion. There is no death. You are confusing form with being. Form is changing all the time, like the waves on the surface of the sea, but the water they are made of is always present in the sea from which they emerge. Your form also comes and goes as a temporal existence, but the substance you are made of, which is consciousness, is the same consciousness as that of God, or the divine nature, or Tao, or the universe, or the Absolute. That consciousness is Unborn and Deathless. It cannot die. When you release your 'self' you will float. If you continue to cling, you will sink.

Belief clings,
Faith lets go.

Let go and live.

 

[Nakosis]

What does loving God have to do with belief in the Bible?

If you love God you love God's Word. If you don't love God's Word it's because you don't love God.

What a icky position for a person to find themselves in who might want to question the truth of the Bible.

 

[godnotgod]

I believe that is true but then comes free will which has a tendency to not be in harmony with God. So even though evil subsists it does not obey.

But free will is a gift to man from God, and so is in complete harmony with God. Free will does not mean doing haphazardly what you want. It is necessary for life to flow on.

re Evil: You are focused on Law and Obedience, and so see Good and Evil in opposition. When you focus on divine union with God, you will see Good and Evil as relative cooperative values. But by opposing Evil via the dictates of The Good, you only make Evil stronger. That is exactly why Yeshu said: 'Resist not, Evil'.

 

[Thief]

But free will is a gift to man from God, and so is in complete harmony with God. Free will does not mean doing haphazardly what you want. It is necessary for life to flow on.

re Evil: You are focused on Law and Obedience, and so see Good and Evil in opposition. When you focus on divine union with God, you will see Good and Evil as relative cooperative values. But by opposing Evil via the dictates of The Good, you only make Evil stronger. That is exactly why Yeshu said: 'Resist not, Evil'.

Freewill and harmony are NOT complete.

The opposition is there.
It is a matter of freewill what you do about it.

Surely you're not attempting to erase the line drawn?....God and the devil....
as per the Book of Job.

 

[godnotgod]

If you love God you love God's Word. If you don't love God's Word it's because you don't love God.

What a icky position for a person to find themselves in who might want to question the truth of the Bible.

I love God, but what you call God's Word is not God's Word; it is man's interpretation of what he thinks God's Word would be like if God could speak to him in language.

Unfortunately, the Bible is a corrupted work to a significant degree, and unless one realizes the gift of divine union first, he will not know how to interpret what he reads. Yeshu himself said so: "You search the scriptures for eternal life, but it is I whom the scriptures are about". Scripture is merely a second-hand account of the first-hand spiritual experience. It pales in comparison. Once one seeks the spiritual experience, its description, which are the scriptures, will be illumined by a newly transformed consciousness. The ordinary rational mind which seeks 'truth' in scripture will not do; it must be transformed first as in: 'Lest ye turn and become ye as little children, ye shall not enter into Paradise'.

It is what precedes the Word, that is the Breath, which is incorruptible God Consciousness itself.

 

[BruceDLimber]

I believe if God did not have a rival, this earth would be a good place to live.

The only "rival" God has is the perversity of some humans, who are clearly in no way any real "threat" to Him!

I believe the Bible refers to [satan] as a person; and if any scripture contradicts that, then it is not the word of God.

You overlook the fact that we're not contradicting that because satan IS a person: specifically, any person who prefers his own lower (animal) nature to God.

So the point remains that God has no real rival or equal, as many scriptures make clear.

And it's also true that religions like the Baha'i Faith have more consistently stressed the need for and promoted peace than much of Christianity has done historically. So please don't limit yourself to only-Christianity as a sole hope for peace.

I can also assure you that we love God fully as much as you do!

Regards,

Bruce

 

[Thief]

I love God, but what you call God's Word is not God's Word; it is man's interpretation of what he thinks God's Word would be like if God could speak to him in language.

Unfortunately, the Bible is a corrupted work to a significant degree, and unless one realizes the gift of divine union first, he will not know how to interpret what he reads. Yeshu himself said so: "You search the scriptures for eternal life, but it is I whom the scriptures are about". Scripture is merely a second-hand account of the first-hand spiritual experience. It pales in comparison. Once one seeks the spiritual experience, its description, which are the scriptures, will be illumined by a newly transformed consciousness. The ordinary rational mind which seeks 'truth' in scripture will not do; it must be transformed first as in: 'Lest ye turn and become ye as little children, ye shall not enter into Paradise'.

It is what precedes the Word, that is the Breath, which is incorruptible God Consciousness itself.

ok....you said it well enough.
did you notice the word 'I' as you did so?
And you are well aware there IS a Person behind that speech?

 

[Nakosis]

I love God, but what you call God's Word is not God's Word; it is man's interpretation of what he thinks God's Word would be like if God could speak to him in language.

Unfortunately, the Bible is a corrupted work to a significant degree, and unless one realizes the gift of divine union first, he will not know how to interpret what he reads. Yeshu himself said so: "You search the scriptures for eternal life, but it is I whom the scriptures are about". Scripture is merely a second-hand account of the first-hand spiritual experience. It pales in comparison. Once one seeks the spiritual experience, its description, which are the scriptures, will be illumined by a newly transformed consciousness. The ordinary rational mind which seeks 'truth' in scripture will not do; it must be transformed first as in: 'Lest ye turn and become ye as little children, ye shall not enter into Paradise'.

It is what precedes the Word, that is the Breath, which is incorruptible God Consciousness itself.

I had to quote your whole post as there is nothing here I disagree with.

The Word of God, to my understanding, is the Word of creation. It was the "blueprint" of existence. The idea or thought from God that gave structure to the universe.

Somehow Christianity managed to confuse this with their religious documents. So that is what I meant that it becomes an icky situation for a Christian to question their religious documents.