What has happened to Protestantism?

[Tinkerpeach]

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I was baptized an Anglican a few weeks ago.

I am finding, however, that young Protestants (under 30 or 35) seem to take Protestantism to mean:

1. No liturgy.

2. No Tradition.

3. No Saints.

4. Bible only.

5. Rock music.

Etc.

This is not Anglicanism, the largest Protestant denomination in the world. This is not Lutheranism, either.

What is going on?

Do people think liturgy = RCC?

Saints = RCC?

Tradition = RCC?

I have grown up with Anglicanism and we have and always have had all these things.

Wtf is happening to Protestantism?

Times change and much of that stuff is outdated.

Singing those old hymns is about as boring as it gets and certainly not celebrating the joy of Christ. They feel more like a chore you are required to do.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

protestantism has taking away the sacred in the church.. sad yes

angelican, catholic and ortdox chuches give people a feeling of awe and feeling the divine

by the way congratulations on being baptised

If you need a building to feel the presence of God you are doing something wrong.

 

[Rival]

Times change and much of that stuff is outdated.

Tell that to the influx of young, under 30s into the Catholic Church, who are attending Latin Masses.

It's in vogue, it's a thing.

But I am not a RC.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Tell that to the influx young under 30s into the Catholic Church, who are attending Latin Masses.

It's in vogue, it's a thing.

But I am not a RC.

Haven’t heard about that, I’ve heard it was declining in the US anyway.

 

[Eddi]

Singing those old hymns is about as boring as it gets and certainly not celebrating the joy of Christ.

I find the more ancient hymns to be inherently more sacred than any pop-style worship music

I especially find the words of Charles Wesley to be beautiful

The olden hymns give me a sense of connection and continuity to a by-gone age and to my spiritual ancestors

I prefer being at a church belting out hymns, "making a joyful noise" to the accompaniment of an organ than standing with my arms in the air as they do in the charismatic tradition, singing along to a band

 

[Spice]

Except this is not Anglicanism or Lutheranism, the two largest Prot denominations out there.

So what is going on.

I only can relate to what I'm familiar with: Baptist, Methodist, AME, Congregational, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, local Non-denominational. Though I've heard of the two you refer to, I don't know anything specific about either.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Wtf is happening to Protestantism?

America. I don't want to explain it in a thread.

 

[Rival]

Haven’t heard about that, I’ve heard it was declining in the US anyway.

See Holier than thou: have Gen Z turned to Catholicism?.

It's actually growing among young people, just not the modern post-60s stuff.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Anglicans are Protestants.

Are Anglicans shia or sunni?

 

[Tinkerpeach]

See Holier than thou: have Gen Z turned to Catholicism?.

It's actually growing among young people, just not the modern post-60s stuff.

Sorry but that’s just someone’s opinion.

Here is an actual statistic.

Among religious groups, Catholics show one of the larger drops in attendance, from 45% to 33%, while there are slightly smaller decreases among Orthodox (nine percentage points) and Hindu followers (eight points).

Church Attendance Has Declined in Most U.S. Religious Groups

Three in 10 Americans, but 67% of Mormons, attend church regularly. Most religious groups show declines in attendance over the past two decades.

news.gallup.com

 

[Rival]

Sorry but that’s just someone’s opinion.

Here is an actual statistic.

Among religious groups, Catholics show one of the larger drops in attendance, from 45% to 33%, while there are slightly smaller decreases among Orthodox (nine percentage points) and Hindu followers (eight points).

Church Attendance Has Declined in Most U.S. Religious Groups

Three in 10 Americans, but 67% of Mormons, attend church regularly. Most religious groups show declines in attendance over the past two decades.

news.gallup.com

So what?

Gen Z are more religious, this is a fact.

They like Tradition. Numbers dropping doesn't mean they're not attending Masses. Obviously someone is.

 

[Rival]

Sorry but that’s just someone’s opinion.

Here is an actual statistic.

Among religious groups, Catholics show one of the larger drops in attendance, from 45% to 33%, while there are slightly smaller decreases among Orthodox (nine percentage points) and Hindu followers (eight points).

Church Attendance Has Declined in Most U.S. Religious Groups

Three in 10 Americans, but 67% of Mormons, attend church regularly. Most religious groups show declines in attendance over the past two decades.

news.gallup.com

Like stats?

The Latin Mass Among Millennials & Gen Z: A National Study

A recent online survey of 1779 adults from 39 states found that the “Traditional Latin Mass is experiencing a high volume of participation and interest in the 18-39 demographic.” Fr. Donald Kloster of the diocese of Bridgeport, CT, with the help of other contributors, conducted the survey between

fssp.com

Everything must be backed up with stats!!!!!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I was baptized an Anglican a few weeks ago.

I am finding, however, that young Protestants (under 30 or 35) seem to take Protestantism to mean:

1. No liturgy.

2. No Tradition.

3. No Saints.

4. Bible only.

5. Rock music.

Etc.

This is not Anglicanism, the largest Protestant denomination in the world. This is not Lutheranism, either.

What is going on?

Do people think liturgy = RCC?

Saints = RCC?

Tradition = RCC?

I have grown up with Anglicanism and we have and always have had all these things.

Wtf is happening to Protestantism?

A lot of these points are touched on in Martin Luther's Five Solas, so they're not exactly new.

"No Tradition" and "Bible only"... that sounds like sola scriptura to me.

"No saints"... that's soli Deo gloria. All glory to God; no veneration of Mary or saints.

To an extent, "no liturgy" ties back to solus Christus. Salvation is solely through Christ, not through sacraments performed by humans.

The Anglican communion kind of wound up "Protestant" by its own weird path and didn't necessarily adhere to all these ideas, but what you're describing seems to be bread-and-butter Protestantism.

 

[Koldo]

I was baptized an Anglican a few weeks ago.

I am finding, however, that young Protestants (under 30 or 35) seem to take Protestantism to mean:

1. No liturgy.

2. No Tradition.

3. No Saints.

4. Bible only.

5. Rock music.

Etc.

This is not Anglicanism, the largest Protestant denomination in the world. This is not Lutheranism, either.

What is going on?

Do people think liturgy = RCC?

Saints = RCC?

Tradition = RCC?

I have grown up with Anglicanism and we have and always have had all these things.

Wtf is happening to Protestantism?

That's because you live in the UK.
Anglicanism is more of a thing in the UK and some african countries. And not particularly representative of other protestant churches.

 

[Rival]

That's because you live in the UK.
Anglicanism is more of a thing in the UK and some african countries. And not particularly representative of other protestant churches.

As the largest Protestant 'culture' it should be the most widely represented.

 

[sun rise]

Wtf is happening to Protestantism?

As an outsider, when I was growing up, denominations were very much a social class issue. Rich people in upper class neighborhoods attended churches reflecting their social status and so forth.

Then I learned that denominations were once the result of serious disputes about theology.

Today what I see is a divergence between MAGA Authoritarian Christians (what I think of as Taliban-light), those that are in one way or another searching for a new model of Christianity and a dying tradition that many find does not fit any longer.

 

[Koldo]

As the largest Protestant 'culture' is should be the most widely represented.

But it is not that influential worldwide.

It is like how chinese is one of the most spoken languages in the world, but hardly anyone outside of China is fluent.

 

[Rival]

But it is not that influential worldwide.

It is like how chinese is one of the most spoken languages in the world, but hardly anyone outside of China is fluent.

Apparently it's growing largely in East Africa and other colonial places and somewhat in South America.

As a European I'm scuppered looking for any kind of Christian majority, might as well be a Muslim. It's nonsensical.

 

[Koldo]

Apparently it's growing largely in East Africa and other colonial places and somewhat in South America.

As a European I'm scuppered looking for any kind of Christian majority, might as well be a Muslim. It's nonsensical.

Here in Brazil, as far I know, most protestants are either pentecostal, neopentecostal or baptist. Actually, the term 'protestant' is rarely used, people usually go by 'evangelical'.

 

[Rival]

Here in Brazil, as far I know, most protestants are either pentecostal, neopentecostal or baptist. Actually, the term 'protestant' is rarely used, people usually go by 'evangelical'.

This is part of the problem. Protestant is now being seen as synonymous with Evangelical. It's a load of garbage, as there are specific theologies at play here.