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What Have the Christians Ever Done For Us?

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
One of my favorite skits from Monty Python is a scene from Life of Brian. "What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?" If anyone's never seen it, here:


Whenever I start to feel vindictive towards Christianity (or the Romans), I either watch or remember this skit. (...and then wonder about ex-Python Terry Jones' rather anti-Roman sentiments in his historical documentaries, but that's beside the point.) Christians brought us literacy, which allowed us to preserve what little we could at all, which might otherwise have been lost forever. They invented universities, developed beautiful architecture, helped lay the foundations for the modern sciences, and let's face it, classical Christian art and music is some of the finest there is.

One thing I'm doing to help stem anti-Christian sentiments is by reminding myself that what's likely happening is: I'm confusing Christianity with puritanical thought. Notions like black-and-white morality, absolute good or wholly evil, play is bad and work is good, etc. has been a poison to me, and despite having never been a Christian, have sadly been a major part of my identity in my youth. I've been trying to weed these notions out for the past few years, and since puritanical thought has so many connections to Christianity, it's easy to confuse the two and think all Christian-based notions should be discarded as well. Reminding myself that they're not the same helps, especially since there's probably plenty of elements from the Old Way hidden within European Christianity. The very word "God" is Germanic, and might have been, for a while, the name used for Tiw/Tyr.

Making anew the Old Way shouldn't involve discarding anything connected with Christianity. It's only those aspects which go against our values which we should not follow.
 
Making anew the Old Way shouldn't involve discarding anything connected with Christianity. It's only those aspects which go against our values which we should not follow.

And these values are another thing that the Christians gave us.

Almost all aspects of Western society have some connection to Christianity, secularism is a product of Christianity, as is humanism, free market economics, the idea of 'progress'.

Even things like communism borrow the Christian teleological view of history, as does the 'end of history' type worldview that sees worldwide secular liberal democracy as humanity's ultimate goal.

The influence of Christianity can't be separated from the West present and past, and although people can now move beyond rigid adherence to religious teachings, their influence is still reflected in much of our thoughts and values.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
And these values are another thing that the Christians gave us.

Almost all aspects of Western society have some connection to Christianity, secularism is a product of Christianity, as is humanism, free market economics, the idea of 'progress'.

Even things like communism borrow the Christian teleological view of history, as does the 'end of history' type worldview that sees worldwide secular liberal democracy as humanity's ultimate goal.

The influence of Christianity can't be separated from the West present and past, and although people can now move beyond rigid adherence to religious teachings, their influence is still reflected in much of our thoughts and values.

There are a few remnants of the Old Way, though. Freedom, weapons as the symbol of that freedom, and similar things are pre-Christian. Though there's certainly aspects that I'm perfectly happy staying in the past.

By "our values", I was really referring to those of European Pagans and Neopagans specifically, though even there the influence of Christianity is unavoidable. That's not inherently a bad thing; Indo-European culture is also an import that had a major impact on the Oldest Way. It's just the puritanical aspects I want gone from my own thinking.
 
There are a few remnants of the Old Way, though. Freedom, weapons as the symbol of that freedom, and similar things are pre-Christian. Though there's certainly aspects that I'm perfectly happy staying in the past.

By "our values", I was really referring to those of European Pagans and Neopagans specifically, though even there the influence of Christianity is unavoidable. That's not inherently a bad thing; Indo-European culture is also an import that had a major impact on the Oldest Way. It's just the puritanical aspects I want gone from my own thinking.

I didn't actually notice the forum location of this post earlier, sorry. :grimacing:

But Christianity does have a huge influence from pre-Christian ideas from pagan symbols, traditions and ideas, Roman and Hellenistic philosophy, etc. And these influences are also to some extent regionalised, it's probably not coincidental that Northern European Christianity is different from southern European Christianity based on the ongoing influences of the traditions and values of older beliefs.

History is a process and just as post-Christian societies borrows heavily from Christianity, so did Christianity from pre-Christian societies.

Could just as easily have a thread on Christianity: What have the pagans ever done for us?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
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This thread is in the Indigenous European Religions DIR; please keep Rule 10 in mind.
 
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