What if every religion was left de-organized?

[☆Dreamwind☆]

Little to no political influence, except where relevant.

Small handfuls of worship buildings scattered throughout the world.

Mostly populated with home practices and small study groups.

Religious clergy and institutions being completely optional.

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs? Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Little to no political influence, except where relevant.

Small handfuls of worship buildings scattered throughout the world.

Mostly populated with home practices and small study groups.

Religious clergy and institutions being completely optional.

You would have something quite similar to Hinduism.

 

[The Hammer]

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs? Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

No. We'd find other reasons to argue and fight..

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

You would have something quite similar to Hinduism.

Oh? That's interesting to know.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

No. We'd find other reasons to argue and fight..

Well that's a given, but I'm speaking more in terms of if it would minimize the systematic, ingrained abuses of large organized religions that still has way more power then they should, or if it wouldn't do much at all.

 

[The Hammer]

Well that's a given, but I'm speaking more in terms of if it would minimize the systematic, ingrained abuses of large organized religions that still has way more power then they should, or if it wouldn't.

No. Because like people we'd find other ways to abuse people we felt were different.

The trick is not to get rid of differences or the sources of it (like Organized religion), but get people to accept them.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

No. Because like people we'd find other ways to abuse people we felt were different.

The trick is not to get rid of differences or the sources of it (like Organized religion), but get people to accept them.

I know that.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

How about you get rid of organized groups with more power like the unions first?

 

[Madsaac]

How about you get rid of organized groups with more power like the unions first?

Why, I reckon Jesus would have loved unions.

Unions have done plenty of good for the less fortunate, the 'battler'

Also, I think Jesus would be sick to his stomach in regards to how his religions have organised themselves.

 

[1213]

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs? Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

I think it would be best, if power would not be in any way concentrated to a small number of people. This means in no form, also no governments. It would be best, if everyone would have power only over their own life. When power is concentrated to one person, or small group, it is like giving them the power ring from the Lord of the Rings story.

 

[Stevicus]

Little to no political influence, except where relevant.

Small handfuls of worship buildings scattered throughout the world.

Mostly populated with home practices and small study groups.

Religious clergy and institutions being completely optional.

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs? Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

It could work, although without political influence, those who have political influence might use it to apply pressure or to gain more power. There doesn't seem to be any effective way of curbing or stopping political ambition or that kind of lust for power which has been a historical constant in human society. In the Western democracies, we've been able to restrain such tendencies through a system of checks and balances in order to strike a balance of power, as well as a firm commitment to freedom of religion which allows the church and state to coexist. It also protects the smaller, decentralized and/or minority religions.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

How about you get rid of organized groups with more power like the unions first?

Or like the corporations?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Little to no political influence, except where relevant.

Small handfuls of worship buildings scattered throughout the world.

Mostly populated with home practices and small study groups.

Religious clergy and institutions being completely optional.

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs?

How would this come about?

If it's from people drifting away from religion naturally, no problem. If it's through oppression, that wouldn't be okay.

Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

Track them down for what?

 

[Koldo]

No. Because like people we'd find other ways to abuse people we felt were different.

The trick is not to get rid of differences or the sources of it (like Organized religion), but get people to accept them.

Not gonna happen.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Or like the corporations?

I don’t think you would like that if you like to buy wide ranges of products but ok.

Heck, get rid of corporations and unions go with em.

 

[Koldo]

Little to no political influence, except where relevant.

Small handfuls of worship buildings scattered throughout the world.

Mostly populated with home practices and small study groups.

Religious clergy and institutions being completely optional.

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs? Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

I think the politicians would become the high priests.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

How would this come about?

If it's from people drifting away from religion naturally, no problem. If it's through oppression, that wouldn't be okay.


Track them down for what?

Not through oppression. Just naturally falling out of favor enough in numbers, and losing their institutional grip in government, so they theoretically would be less prone to weilding corrupt power, cruelty, and control over the populace.

Keeping track of and tracking down criminals in religious organizations such as pedophiles, terrorists, scam artists, abusers, etc. Obviously cults like Waco and Scientology, and some closed religious sects such as the Amish have these problems, just as much as old and open religions do.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Why, I reckon Jesus would have loved unions.

Unions have done plenty of good for the less fortunate, the 'battler'

Also, I think Jesus would be sick to his stomach in regards to how his religions have organised themselves.

Unions were needed at one point but no longer. Federal laws and competition have made them only useful for higher wages which equates to higher costs for the consumer.

Ultimately those higher wages disappear for the higher prices being paid for goods and services.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Little to no political influence, except where relevant.

Small handfuls of worship buildings scattered throughout the world.

Mostly populated with home practices and small study groups.

Religious clergy and institutions being completely optional.

Do you think it would make it better in terms of minimizing potential civil, religious, and political abuses and power grabs? Or would it make everything worse trying to track them down?

I’m trying to wrap my head around the implications.

If there was no Holy Catholic Church back in the 1720’s, who would my wife’s ancestors have reached out to in order to establish diplomatic relations with within white western culture in order to get a priest to do baptisms?

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

I’m trying to wrap my head around the implications.

If there was no Holy Catholic Church back in the 1720’s, who would my wife’s ancestors have reached out to in order to establish diplomatic relations with within white western culture.

You're going to need to be a little more specific.