What if God the Father came to earth?

[The Sum of Awe]

What if God the Father came to earth, and not God the Son?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Can this be moved to Christianity DIR?

 

[Breathe]

Can this be moved to Christianity DIR?

Sure.

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[Kastling]

Not possible. God the Father is omnipresent, meaning he is everywhere at every time. Therefore his presence could not be limited, such as in a human body. The Son is the attributes of God made manifest and so can be limited.

 

[Oak of Justice]

Some may think Jesus was actually God the Father portraying how man can be His son/ child.

 

[SgtOfHeart]

It's always I interesting to see how people try to explain the 'trinity' when the word's not actually in the Bible. If Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit, then in trinity doctrine, then isn't the Holy Spirit the "Father". My God is 'One Lord' (first commandment) & indeed can do anything. If I'm a 'dad, a son, & a brother', then why can't one God fill three 'offices' in the Godhead? Why do we make God corruptible or limited in our human explanation?

 

[BilliardsBall]

God the Father will "dwell with men and they will be His people." - Revelation 19

In the unredeemed state, to see the Father, seven times brighter than the Sun, would be cataclysmic.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Why is this in the Christian DIR
when none of the posters Claim to be Christians.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Huh? I'm a Christian. Also, Christianity is the religion that refers to God as Father.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Huh? I'm a Christian. Also, Christianity is the religion that refers to God as Father.

So why not say so?


We do indeed refer to "God the Father", and have given the Status of Jesus to be his Son. However at the time he was here and for many years after, that was not known as a certainty. It is something we have interpolated.

I do not agree with setting rules for God... and if he wanted to appear to us in a form we could both see and accept, he could most certainly do it. He could do it either anonymously or in full knowledge, it would be his choice. He is not limited by us or scripture.

We probably do not understand the true relationship between Jesus and God, and have no way of expressing it, except by the analogy of Father and Son.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I didn't say so because the post was already in the Christian subforum...?

I pickup that Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" and that he said when you pray, "Say our Father..."

It is not "limiting God to scripture" to say He tells us only true things in scripture... it's both/and not either or...

Thank you for your post.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I didn't say so because the post was already in the Christian subforum...?

I pickup that Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" and that he said when you pray, "Say our Father..."

It is not "limiting God to scripture" to say He tells us only true things in scripture... it's both/and not either or...

Thank you for your post.

You have a faith in the words of scripture that I do not.
Scripture is essentially "Man Made" We accept much of what it says on faith, because it seems reasonable in the context. All of the new testament was recalled, written down, edited and selected long after the events reported.

It is reasonable to believe that the words attributed to the people involved , including Jesus's are at best paraphrases and certainly not verbatim reports. People do not have the ability to recall such details over long periods, either then or now.
Trained story tellers might have this ability, but there is no suggestion that any of the many authors had those skills.

I have always thought that we all have a "Father child" relationship to God, and Jesus teachings seem to reinforce this. I suspect that Jesus's relationship to both God and to us is of a like kind. But that he is the only one to have certain and complete knowledge of it.

You will note I do not use the phrase, "Jesus said", we do not have any reliable evidence of anything Jesus said, we only have hearsay "evidence" that he existed at all. However we have considerable circumstantial evidence about what he taught and how he taught. This sort of recollection is easier to pass down, at least in essence.

 

[BilliardsBall]

This thread is not designed for debate, but I would point out to you kindly that what are now hundreds of pages of documents from over a dozen authors, plus all the Old Testament prophecies, are not hearsay evidence or mere anecdotal evidence.

Thank you.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

This thread is not designed for debate, but I would point out to you kindly that what are now hundreds of pages of documents from over a dozen authors, plus all the Old Testament prophecies, are not hearsay evidence or mere anecdotal evidence.

Thank you.

Indeed this forum is for discussion. which is why I have put up no detail for debate.

( to confirm terms used in this discussion I include the following)
Hearsay evidence, is evidence not coming directly from a witness to the event. it is not permitted in US law (it is permitted in civil UK law, following certain restrictions)

Almost the entire Bible would be classed as being derived from "hearsay" as very little is confirmed first person evidence. even then the identity of the person is not su

I do not understand the relevance of "Prophecy" to evidence

If I were to prophecy that a person will do some thing, there is no cause and effect involved, were it to come true or not. Prophecy does not prove truth or demonstrate cause.

 

[Katzpur]

What if God the Father came to earth, and not God the Son?

He did once (accompanied by His Son), but nobody believed it and everybody killed the messenger.

 

[Katzpur]

Not possible. God the Father is omnipresent, meaning he is everywhere at every time. Therefore his presence could not be limited, such as in a human body. The Son is the attributes of God made manifest and so can be limited.

Not possible? I thought that with God, all things were possible. You're saying that God the Father is limited in His ability, that He could not come to Earth? On one hand you say that the Son is limited because He has a body and then you say that the Father is limited because He doesn't.

By the way, where in the Bible does it say that God is "everywhere at every time"? I can give you perhaps two dozen instances where He is said to be "in Heaven."

 

[BilliardsBall]

Indeed this forum is for discussion. which is why I have put up no detail for debate.

( to confirm terms used in this discussion I include the following)
Hearsay evidence, is evidence not coming directly from a witness to the event. it is not permitted in US law (it is permitted in civil UK law, following certain restrictions)

Almost the entire Bible would be classed as being derived from "hearsay" as very little is confirmed first person evidence. even then the identity of the person is not su

I do not understand the relevance of "Prophecy" to evidence

If I were to prophecy that a person will do some thing, there is no cause and effect involved, were it to come true or not. Prophecy does not prove truth or demonstrate cause.

Would you be willing to research what you say about prophecy further?

Do you know why it's called the gospel of Matthew; of John, etc?

 

[nazz]

What if God the Father came to earth, and not God the Son?

Jesus said when you see me you see the Father

 

[Katzpur]

Jesus said when you see me you see the Father

Do you think He meant that literally? In other words, was He saying that the Father is the same person as the Son? Or was He saying that if you were to see the Father, you would not be able to tell the difference between Him and the Son?

 

[Me Myself]

Do you think He meant that literally? In other words, was He saying that the Father is the same person as the Son? Or was He saying that if you were to see the Father, you would not be able to tell the difference between Him and the Son?

Why think he did not say it literaly?