What if we accepted each others Religion?

[loverofhumanity]

Only for Bahais. For those of the faiths Bahai has made use of, the misuse is only an irritant.

The Baha’i Faith presents all religions to humanity in their ‘pristine purity’ that is, without the man made dogmas ,doctrines and interpretations. In their pure form, all religions complement one another and are one and united and are in perfect agreement.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Bahai faith that Muslims are being punished by God (blaming their political situation on God) and their taking side of Israel and the oppressive West, makes, this issue more complicated then simply an issue of religion.

And the way Bahais worked with the Shah against the Shiite Muslims further complicates it.

Baha’is believe in Muhammad and the Quran. I am from Catholic background but Baha’u’llah taught me that the Quran is the Word of God and Muhammad is His Prophet so I now love reading the Quran and consider it holy and blessed and it is part of my soul and spiritual life forever.

As a Baha’i I take the side of God and His Messengers not man and his divisive ways. Baha’u’llah ascended in Israel so our Qiblih and World Spiritual and Administrative Centre is there only for that reason.

 

[Secret Chief]

The Baha’i Faith presents all religions to humanity in their ‘pristine purity’ that is, without the man made dogmas ,doctrines and interpretations. In their pure form, all religions complement one another and are one and united and are in perfect agreement.

No. It misrepresents for its own agenda.

 

[loverofhumanity]

No. It misrepresents for its own agenda.

Yes our agenda is to put forward the truth to people after they have been lied to and brainwashed for centuries to be prejudiced against other races, religions and nations. Even today the western media pushes the envelop that America are the goodies and Russians China the baddies. When the truth is countries are an imaginary border created in peoples minds. Our true identity, the Baha’i teachings assert is that we are all human beings and the only way that wars can be spinned is using an ‘us vs them’ narrative and demonising other groups. The agenda of the Baha’is is to raise the consciousness of people to accept all humanity as a family. Stop the wars by creating a different narrative where we see each other as one human family.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Silence is the way.

You have absolutely no idea how silent I have been.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

I would expect that when their traditional concepts have been challenged.

It's not about being fools. It is each individuals ability to approach that challenge that results in the various responses.

Regards Tony

What challenge? I don't think of this stuff as a challenge to my beliefs at all. I entered this foray merely to correct the misconceptions that were being made. I doubt that members of any other religions see it that way either. You may think you're challenging our beliefs, but that's just your idea of this. (Best to keep silent.)

 

[loverofhumanity]

It is common for the Prophet of a subsequent religion to correct the misconceptions of the followers of a previous religion. In this passage Christians are clarified by God in the Quran that Christ is not God nor His mother a deity. After a few centuries Mary was called ‘The Mother of God’ and statues erected in churches all over the world since. Yet in the Bible there is no such station given to Mary.

This is why religion needs to be renewed as it becomes saturated with man made concepts and ideas instead of the real message of love. In the Baha’i Revelation Baha’u’llah also corrects the misconceptions of previous religions.

Quran 5:116-117

116. And God will say, "O Jesus son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Take me and my mother as gods rather than God?'" He will say, "Glory be to You! It is not for me to say what I have no right to. Had I said it, You would have known it. You know what is in my soul, and I do not know what is in your soul. You are the Knower of the hidden. 117. I only told them what You commanded me: that you shall worship God, my Lord and your Lord.

 

[Muffled]

I'm amazed at how so many people believe that just because they say something, that makes it true. Today I'm jumping on my flying carpet and flying south.

If you honestly believe something about yourself, yet every single person you meet, say 500 people, disagree, and you keep thinking you're right, with absolute conviction, then it's time to give your head a shake.

I believe numbers don't count. The majority of people thought the earth was flat but the one who didn't turned out to be right.

 

[Muffled]

It is common for the Prophet of a subsequent religion to correct the misconceptions of the followers of a previous religion. In this passage Christians are clarified by God in the Quran that Christ is not God nor His mother a deity. After a few centuries Mary was called ‘The Mother of God’ and statues erected in churches all over the world since. Yet in the Bible there is no such station given to Mary.

This is why religion needs to be renewed as it becomes saturated with man made concepts and ideas instead of the real message of love. In the Baha’i Revelation Baha’u’llah also corrects the misconceptions of previous religions.

Quran 5:116-117

116. And God will say, "O Jesus son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Take me and my mother as gods rather than God?'" He will say, "Glory be to You! It is not for me to say what I have no right to. Had I said it, You would have known it. You know what is in my soul, and I do not know what is in your soul. You are the Knower of the hidden. 117. I only told them what You commanded me: that you shall worship God, my Lord and your Lord.

I believe Jesus never said "gods" He said God. Also it was not in derogation of Allah but in exaltation of Him.

 

[Muffled]

One good thing is that this will not always be the case.
Religions take time to grow. The future is not here yet.

I believe the future reveals all people will follow the anti-Christ except for true Christians who will know better.

 

[Secret Chief]

The majority of people thought the earth was flat

When? Do you have any link for this assertion? A quick search came up with:

"As a side note, it’s actually not true that most people long believed the Earth was flat.
The roundness of the earth was well known to the ancient Greeks, as it was to educated Romans, Arabs and medieval Christian monks. Thomas Aquinas, writing in the 13th century, took for granted that his readers would already be familiar with this fact: “the same scientific truth belongs to different sciences: thus both the physicist and the astronomer prove the earth to be round.” All this is, of course, well before the advent of “science” in the current sense of the word. The era of modern science is generally accepted to have begun around the beginning of the 17th century, with the work of Kepler, Galileo and Newton – who would all have been as familiar with the roundness of the earth as we are today."

- Not Even the Greeks Thought the World Was Flat, But These People Do

 

[Link]

me and scholars have no place interpreting

This is not what the line is saying. It's saying only God and firmly rooted in knowledge have all of it's interpretation, but this not to say we cannot interpret or understand any of it. That would make it other than guidance from God.

When it comes to the day of judgment, there are many verses and they contextualize each other. The Bahai interpretation is impossible for many reasons.

Verse 3:7 forbids to follow what is unclear from it but at the same time, it says it's only all clear to God and the firmly rooted in knowledge. To them all dimensions of Quran is known and they are fit to expand and explain it.

 

[Vinayaka]

I believe numbers don't count. The majority of people thought the earth was flat but the one who didn't turned out to be right.

So in an election, the guy who gets one vote should win over the guy who got 1000 votes? If 20 friends came to you and told you you had halitosis, but you are unaware (as most people are) you'd deny it?

 

[Link]

Baha’is believe in Muhammad and the Quran. I am from Catholic background but Baha’u’llah taught me that the Quran is the Word of God and Muhammad is His Prophet so I now love reading the Quran and consider it holy and blessed and it is part of my soul and spiritual life forever.

As a Baha’i I take the side of God and His Messengers not man and his divisive ways. Baha’u’llah ascended in Israel so our Qiblih and World Spiritual and Administrative Centre is there only for that reason.

What you said has nothing to do with what I stated.

 

[Trailblazer]

When it comes to the day of judgment, there are many verses and they contextualize each other. The Bahai interpretation is impossible for many reasons.

Let's keep this simple.
What do you think the Baha'is believe about the day of judgment?
What do you think the day of judgment is, in your own words?

 

[Link]

Let's keep this simple.
What do you think the Baha'is believe about the day of judgment?
What do you think the day of judgment is, in your own words?

I think Bahais believe day of judgment of Moses (a) was Jesus (a) till Mohammad (s) and so the day of judgment in Quran and of Mohammad (s) is Baha'allah till the next manifestation.

I know for certain, per Quran, no one will deny the day of judgment when it occurs, because it's a day when the truth will be a certainty for all creation and humans will acknowledge all their faults and sins eventually on that day. Till then, even death, will not bring that degree of manifestation of signs of God. The Quran has details and summary, and it's a day that God is in full control, and people are all submissive to God, but it's too late to acknowledge sins and reform, because the truth is clear to the extent, that goodness cannot be the motivation for reform on that day. And also it's the day people enter hell and paradise in their full form.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What challenge? I don't think of this stuff as a challenge to my beliefs at all. I entered this foray merely to correct the misconceptions that were being made. I doubt that members of any other religions see it that way either. You may think you're challenging our beliefs, but that's just your idea of this. (Best to keep silent.)

I see It is a God given Challenge, one many people have responded to on many occasions.

Personally no Baha'i is challenging anybody else, it is the concepts they post that are responded to.

I offer that many have responded to what they see as misconceptions, on many many occasions, by attempting to belittle the source behind the misconception.

If they are not Challenged by the concepts, why then would they offer a challenge in return?

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

What you said has nothing to do with what I stated.

That' practically the norm here. Get used to it. It's almost as if a book is opened randomly, and some quote is given that has no relation whatsoever to the topic at hand.

 

[Secret Chief]

That' practically the norm here. Get used to it. It's almost as if a book is opened randomly, and some quote is given that has no relation whatsoever to the topic at hand.

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.

 

[Vinayaka]

I see It is a God given Challenge, one many people have responded to on many occasions.

Personally no Baha'i is challenging anybody else, it is the concepts they post that are responded to.

I offer that many have responded to what they see as misconceptions, on many many occasions, by attempting to belittle the source behind the misconception.

If they are not Challenged by the concepts, why then would they offer a challenge in return?

Regards Tony

You're free to see it that way. I don't share your views. Nobody here is offering a challenge in return. Seems more probably that 'challenge' is a new word to you, so you've decided to use it at every opportunity.

What is belittling about saying Saivism doesn't believe in manifestations, or that karma and reincarnation are inseparable. Belittling who exactly? If you feel belittled by logical debate, that's on you. But you know by now that most of us here have an anti-Baha'i agenda. So I guess belittling is just what we do. (shrugs)