I thought all Chicken McNuggets are cursed. I was magically tortured by some for a few hours once.
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What "if" you are wrong
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Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
I was just suggesting that compared to what we know, our don't know's and possible wrongs look like a mountain next to the grain of sand that is our current knowing. As for the chicken Mcnugget cursed nugget, whether dipped in bbq or honey mustard to bring about the curse of eternal torture, well ... 100% of people who eat carrots die. Resistance is futile! Nay resistance is necessary!! LMAO Warning: May cause a blushing effect.
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Ajax
Active Member
I can not prove that God doesn't exist, in the same way I can not prove that there are not any fairies, unicorns or flying teapots.
On the other hand if you can prove that God exists, you will get a Nobel prize. Worth a try you think?
Altfish
Veteran Member
Good point.
You haven't yet proven that gods don't exist. "Haven't yet" <> "can't."
Your position relies on the idea that failing to find a thing so far (i.e. God) doesn't mean that thing doesn't exist. Well, by the same token, the fact that you haven't found any disproofs of God so far doesn't mean that those disproofs don't exist.
Audie
Veteran Member
That you, Pascal?
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
Apparently not, given that loads of people believe in a god or gods, loads of people don't believe in any gods and plenty have switched from one to the other yet there is no apparent patterns common to any of those broad groupings.
There is the possibility that what we believe (or do) in life has some consequence after death, but given we have literally no way to determine what, if anything, that might be and beliefs aren't a conscious choice we could just change anyway, I don't see a lot of point in worrying about it.
I can observe and reasonably predict the consequences of my actions during my life so I choose to focus on that. After all, for all we know, that could be the key to whatever happens afterwards anyway.
Ajax
Active Member
That's what I said...I can not prove that God doesn't exist...now, if you prefer
Goes without saying that we are all speaking in present tense.
If at some time in the future, someone can prove or disprove God, I will obviously revise my thoughts.
Audie
Veteran Member
Flying teapot isn't nothing in a solar
system with a orbiting Tesla.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
If I'm wrong we are all at the mercy of a ridiculously insane, and evil God.
If I'm wrong then morality has no facts and it's all about ends with no need to justify the means, and it doesn't matter how others are treated.
If I'm wrong then death is final and no sensible fundamental reality exists, and we all live in a cycle of miracle events.
If I'm wrong then morality has no facts and it's all about ends with no need to justify the means, and it doesn't matter how others are treated.
If I'm wrong then death is final and no sensible fundamental reality exists, and we all live in a cycle of miracle events.
It won't matter IMO.
The larger question....
What will happen to people who believe in a
god, but the wrong one or the wrong version?
Or the wrong number of gods?
Vengeful gods might be kinder to unbelievers
than to believers of the wrong things.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
It depends on what kind of God. For example if there is/isn't a deist God, it doesn't matter at all. We have to stand on our own feet anyway.
Beliefs don't matter? Hmmm, don't buy it. To suggest that a belief has no impact on behavior does not fit with what we see.
Also not sure about the distinction between holding a belief and carrying it. If I had strong beliefs associated with the concept of racial purity and the imperative to preserve it, if the belief itself doesn't matter, what are the possible ways of carrying such a belief? What does it mean to carry the belief in racial purity in a way or manner that matters, and matters to whom?
PureX
Veteran Member
So ... you disagreed with what I posted even though you didn't understand what I posted, meant. Perhaps you should have taken a little time to actually consider it.
Then we'd be in an impossible paradox.
The gods are literally everything. Literally everything in the universe has been deified by folks at some point or another.
If the gods are not a thing, nothing is a thing, the universe is not a thing, we are not a thing. So how could we be here having this conversation?
We couldn't be.
Whether gods exist or not (or whether people are correct to define things I don't consider to be gods as gods) doesn't matter to me. It wouldn't impact how I choose to behave, since I don't believe in outsourcing moral discernment to third parties, nor do I subscribe to might makes right, or that laws justify themselves.
Right now I go about living under the presumption that gods don't exist. But if there was consciousness and gods in some afterlife, it still wouldn't matter to me then either, I would treat them and their commands with the same skepticism I'd treat politicians and warlords, or else a different kind of people with their own fallible journeys like me.
Right now I go about living under the presumption that gods don't exist. But if there was consciousness and gods in some afterlife, it still wouldn't matter to me then either, I would treat them and their commands with the same skepticism I'd treat politicians and warlords, or else a different kind of people with their own fallible journeys like me.
No, the burden of proof in on the one making the claim. If the claimant can't meet his burden the claim is logically rejected, pending better support. No god is the epistemic default.That's what I said...I can not prove that God doesn't exist...now, if you prefer
Goes without saying that we are all speaking in present tense.
If at some time in the future, someone can prove or disprove God, I will obviously revise my thoughts.
Also, using failure to disprove a claim as evidence of its truth is an appeal to ignorance fallacy, AKA a burden of proof fallacy.