What "if" you are wrong

[Spice]

Then why did you bring up the big bang theory? Just saying random stuff?

I give up. You said there was no physics to back my position. I said Big Bang Theory is physics. If you don't see how Big Bang Theory relates to my position of creation, you will never grasp what I've posited, so debate is an impossibly.

 

[ppp]

I give up. You said there was no physics to back my position. I said Big Bang Theory is physics. If you don't see how Big Bang Theory relates to my position of creation, you will never grasp what I've posited, so debate is an impossibly.

The words you typed did not reference the actual big bang theory. They may reference what you think the big bang theory states, but not the actual cosmological theory.

Which is why I initially said just a few posts back, There is no physics or sound logical syllogism that supports that assertion.

 

[Ignatius A]

A blanket belief in "God" won't necessarily suffice. Christianity often requires the belief in the Christ allegory for salvation, Other theistic religions have their own orthodox requirements,

Pascal's wager is a disengenuous, self-serving, strategic gamble, which any god would easily see through -- and be annoyed by.

Look I'm not saying pascals wager is a brilliant slam dunk argument. You people are flying off the handle. My use of pascal was a specific response to a specific question in the OP. I made no claims as to it's logic or efficacy at explaining anything. You need to try the decaf next time

 

[loverofhumanity]

Just like the physical senses can sense physical things, the spiritual senses can perceive truth, reality and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit manifests itself in the Holy Words of the Great Educators and Manifestations and can easily be perceived if we use our inner senses. This Holy Spirit is embedded in Their Words and Scriptures. It flows abundantly through the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible, the Quran and so on. It is what captivates and attracts the hearts of billions of people. Each can recognise a wonderful element of truth and wisdom in their respective religions and it is only because most have not investigated outside their belief system that they haven’t yet discovered that this Holy Spirit flows abundantly through all of them. It is a Spirit which enkindles and inspires the noblest sentiments and virtues and reflects another realm or dimension far above our comprehension we call God or the Ultimate Reality. Every person is endowed with this spiritual faculty to be able to recognise God but in those in which it is not developed they only admit to earthly and worldly sentiments which they can see and hear with their outward senses.

 

[Valjean]

Look I'm not saying pascals wager is a brilliant slam dunk argument. You people are flying off the handle. My use of pascal was a specific response to a specific question in the OP. I made no claims as to it's logic or efficacy at explaining anything. You need to try the decaf next time

Noöne's flying off the handle. I'm just responding to the subject under discussion with points that have been raised over and over, for hundreds of years.

 

[Ignatius A]

Noöne's flying off the handle. I'm just responding to the subject under discussion with points that have been raised over and over, for hundreds of years.

And I made no claims to the accuracy, reasonableness or logic of pascals words so discussing those is irrelevant.

 

[1213]

You also didn't answer the question asked. I know that you think the scriptures are good. You believe they are of divine provenance. And you weren't asked if going to church, tithing or praying were obligatory. Of course you think it's good and beneficial, because you believe these instructions come from a good god.

It is interesting question, does those come from God, but to me that something comes from God, doesn't make it automatically good.

My point is that for me, if the Christian god doesn't exist, I have no reason to impose the values or obey the commands attributed to it, which come at a great price. You may be happy to be devoting resources to your faith and church under the belief that this god exists, but would that change if you knew otherwise?

I think I am devoted to truth and love. I don't know would I do so, if I would know God is not real, I hope I would.

I didn't say that Christians have to have children, but there is pressure for all fertile couples to reproduce, which I would say that most accede to without objection or a lot of thought. It's simply the thing one is supposed to do.

I think Christians should not pressure people to get kids. There is no good reason to do so.

Couples that choose not to increase the population of the world are doing us all a favor just as those that got vaccines, those that put up solar panels on their roofs, and those that don't eat meat are all making a contribution to the well-being of humanity.

I don't think they are contributing as much as any human.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

To all that believe a god does exist and those that believe(or lack belief) a god does not exist.....
What if you are wrong? Will it matter?

I guess it depends on what god is real. If the christian god is real then yes it will matter as I will be eternally tormented for not being given enough evidence of god's existence.

 

[Ignatius A]

I guess it depends on what god is real. If the christian god is real then yes it will matter as I will be eternally tormented for not being given enough evidence of god's existence.

You're assuming you havent been given enough.

 

[Trailblazer]

I guess it depends on what god is real. If the christian god is real then yes it will matter as I will be eternally tormented for not being given enough evidence of god's existence.

Good reason to not believe in the Christian God.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You're assuming you havent been given enough.

No, I know I have not because I do not believe a god exists. If there was enough evidence I would have no choice but to believe. Belief is not a choice, but a consequence of evidence and how one evaluates that evidence. You are either convinced or not convinced of any proposition by the evidence. I cannot deny something I am convinced is true such as I cannot deny the earth has one moon.

Let me ask you, God can give me the evidence I need to become convinced of his existence so why doesn't he?

 

[Ignatius A]

No, I know I have not because I do not believe a god exists. If there was enough evidence I would have no choice but to believe. Belief is not a choice, but a consequence of evidence and how one evaluates that evidence. You are either convinced or not convinced of any proposition by the evidence. I cannot deny something I am convinced is true such as I cannot deny the earth has one moon.

Let me ask you, God can give me the evidence I need to become convinced of his existence so why doesn't he?

So your lack of belief is proof God doesnt exist. Nos theres logic I can't argue with.

First if I had a dollar for every time I've heard this i'd be a billionaire. Next I dont believe you'd be convinced no matter what it is. If the evidence that presently exist doesnt convince you why should God continue to perform for you? Be isnt a performing monkey.

 

[RestlessSoul]

No, I know I have not because I do not believe a god exists. If there was enough evidence I would have no choice but to believe. Belief is not a choice, but a consequence of evidence and how one evaluates that evidence. You are either convinced or not convinced of any proposition by the evidence. I cannot deny something I am convinced is true such as I cannot deny the earth has one moon.

Let me ask you, God can give me the evidence I need to become convinced of his existence so why doesn't he?

Shouldn’t you be asking God that question?

 

[Trailblazer]

First if I had a dollar for every time I've heard this i'd be a billionaire.

You talk to a lot of atheists?
I would also be a billionaire.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So your lack of belief is proof God doesnt exist. Nos theres logic I can't argue with.

First if I had a dollar for every time I've heard this i'd be a billionaire. Next I dont believe you'd be convinced no matter what it is. If the evidence that presently exist doesnt convince you why should God continue to perform for you? Be isnt a performing monkey.

Any God worth his salt would presumably:

1) know what it would take to convince a given person that God exists, and
2) be capable of carrying this out.

... so if we were to assume that God exists, we would have to infer that any non-believer is that way because God wants them to be that way.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Shouldn’t you be asking God that question?

Shouldn't you?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Any God worth his salt would presumably:

1) know what it would take to convince a given person that God exists, and
2) be capable of carrying this out.

... so if we were to assume that God exists, we would have to infer that any non-believer is that way because God wants them to be that way.

That’s what you do; you presume, assume, and infer. And you get knowhere, and you learn nothing.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That’s what you do; you presume, assume, and infer. And you get knowhere, and you learn nothing.

Which part do you disagree with?

Is your God incapable of convincing people like me, or is he just unwilling to do it?

Edit: if he's capable of convincing me and wants me to be convinced, what managed to thwart the will of God?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So your lack of belief is proof God doesnt exist. Nos theres logic I can't argue with.

I never said god doesn't exist. I said I am not convinced he does.

First if I had a dollar for every time I've heard this i'd be a billionaire. Next I dont believe you'd be convinced no matter what it is. If the evidence that presently exist doesnt convince you why should God continue to perform for you? Be isnt a performing monkey.

Because he supposedly loves me and wants me in heaven. All I am asking for is good evidence to believe, not asking him to perform. Cannot god provide that to me? If my son had a disease and he needed to take medicine to save his life I would do everything I could to convince him to take the medicine. The problem is your god won't, the bible says without faith no on can please god. So it leaves me in a bad situation, I cannot believe on faith.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Shouldn’t you be asking God that question?

I did for years.