What if?

[savagewind]

I have a family, friends and responsibilities. But what if I didn't and to preach was the only thing I cared to do? It's been years now and I have not found one listening ear. I do not really know that is true but it appears to be as no one is ever present to talk with.

If I decided on the natural course which is to leave the world, would everyone who knows about what sheep do but would not do it find themselves on the way to destruction or would they still be on the way to life because that is what they want?

"Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come who who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; naked and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you came to me.'....

In reply the king will say, "Truly I say to you, to the extent you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

It is my theory that the word "least" was once "last". Also it is said that God has a building which is you and me but I think that was changed from the verb building to the noun building. God is building up his house in knowledge and wisdom. Who will know the last part placed? No one. So far no one.

 

[savagewind]

It will be funny to hear all the people say I have no right to think I am right. That isn't even what I am saying. I am saying I know what is wrong, not right.

 

[savagewind]

World English Bible
"Come now, and let us reason together," says Yahweh: "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow. Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

:reason" or like the NWT says "set matters strait".
appoint, argue, chasten, convince, correction, dispute, judge,

What does not make sense and makes slander is not what The Word is about.

 

[Shiranui117]

I have a family, friends and responsibilities. But what if I didn't and to preach was the only thing I cared to do? It's been years now and I have not found one listening ear. I do not really know that is true but it appears to be as no one is ever present to talk with.

Sad but true in a lot of places, and not just with evangelizing. Sometimes the way we preach needs work, and sometimes we need to have a better understanding of what it is we need to be preaching.

If I decided on the natural course which is to leave the world, would everyone who knows about what sheep do but would not do it find themselves on the way to destruction or would they still be on the way to life because that is what they want?

I don't get what you're trying to say here?

It is my theory that the word "least" was once "last".

The two words seem to be pretty far apart in the Greek...

Also it is said that God has a building which is you and me but I think that was changed from the verb building to the noun building. God is building up his house in knowledge and wisdom. Who will know the last part placed? No one. So far no one.

If I may, what do you think the significance of changing from the VERB building to the NOUN building is? I don't think I entirely understand where you're going with this.

What does not make sense and makes slander is not what The Word is about.

Agreed. "You will know them by their fruits."

 

[savagewind]

It is my theory that the word "least" was once "last".

The two words seem to be pretty far apart in the Greek...

I am certain that modern man is teaching a counterfeit good news. Am I right? I don't know. I believe I am. If man does it presently it is assumed by me that in the past man also did it. So the Scribe who wrote 'building' (the noun) instead of 'building' (the verb) was doing what men do.

sometimes we need to have a better understanding of what it is we need to be preaching.

Sometimes? Haha. I am preaching a warning the Bible is counterfeit.

 

[savagewind]

What difference does it make in the mind for the power of reason "least" or "last" , building the noun and building the verb?

Least means the most insignificant. Least is viewed by most as not important.
Last if we are talking about building is very important. What is the last thing done to a new home? Furnishings. Do you want to live in a building with no furniture?
Least is not something to be concerned with. Last is most important because it means finished.

Building the noun or building the verb?

Building the noun leads the mind to 'who'. Who else is a member of God's building? Or another word for building the noun is body of believers, vine, congregation ect.

Building the verb leads the mind to 'how'. What is my assignment for the building of this body and how might I accomplish it best?

 

[savagewind]

If anyone in Christ wonders that in leaving the world he would do better because his brothers are not here but are there and there is no compelling reason to stay such as making friends in Christ, it means there is no one sharing with him. The kind of sharing that is described by Christ as something to eat, something to drink, hospitality, clothing and a visit. These things that divide the sheep from the goats are spiritual things. When these things are provided to one of Christ's brothers he feels there is reason to go on doing the will of God. It is the doing of the will of God that defines someone as a brother of Christ.

Galatians 6: Let each one prove his own work, then he will have reason to be pleased with his own work [in Christ]. Each will bear his own load. [BUT] Let the one being taught in the Word share all good things with the one teaching.

What good things? Something to eat, something to drink, hospitality, clothing and a visit. We are all teaching each other. But when the last brother needs a visit, a kind word, a helping hand will the Son of Man really find the faith on the Earth? Luke 18:8.

edit: the doing of kindnesses to another one who is for The Christ are not all spiritual assistance. It can be practical help too but either way they always result in spiritual blessings on the giver and on the receiver. and always furthers Kingdom interests. That is why 'Jesus' can say "you did it to me" .

 

[savagewind]

If 'Jesus' knows there are brother's in him that are neglected he does not slaughter the ones neglecting him as Matthew 25:46 (it's interpretation) seems to suggest. But if the ones who are finishing the building that God is doing are being considered as nothing, where is the reward in that? There isn't one. What is God's reward?

 

[Shiranui117]

It is my theory that the word "least" was once "last".

I am certain that modern man is teaching a counterfeit good news. Am I right? I don't know. I believe I am. If man does it presently it is assumed by me that in the past man also did it. So the Scribe who wrote 'building' (the noun) instead of 'building' (the verb) was doing what men do.

It depends on how far back man was preaching the counterfeit news, and when if ever the Good News was actually being taught.

Sometimes? Haha. I am preaching a warning the Bible is counterfeit.

How so? Do you believe that there are any redeeming qualities to it? Surely the Gospels are pure, at least?

Least means the most insignificant. Least is viewed by most as not important.

I think the reason "least" fits in best with "Whatsoever you did to the least of my brethren, you did to me" is because it shows that no matter WHO we help or refuse to help, it seriously matters.

Last if we are talking about building is very important. What is the last thing done to a new home? Furnishings. Do you want to live in a building with no furniture?
Least is not something to be concerned with. Last is most important because it means finished.

So your assertion is that by saying "last" instead of "least," then everything and everyone becomes important? I can see your point, but the exhortations we have about how we're supposed to treat the "least" ultimately line up with how (I think) you say we should treat the "last."

Building the noun leads the mind to 'who'. Who else is a member of God's building? Or another word for building the noun is body of believers, vine, congregation ect.

Building the verb leads the mind to 'how'. What is my assignment for the building of this body and how might I accomplish it best?

I think both are good to keep in mind. They lead to different questions, but both lines of questions are ones worth asking.

If anyone in Christ wonders that in leaving the world he would do better because his brothers are not here but are there and there is no compelling reason to stay such as making friends in Christ, it means there is no one sharing with him. The kind of sharing that is described by Christ as something to eat, something to drink, hospitality, clothing and a visit. These things that divide the sheep from the goats are spiritual things. When these things are provided to one of Christ's brothers he feels there is reason to go on doing the will of God. It is the doing of the will of God that defines someone as a brother of Christ.

You know, for days I couldn't make heads or tails of what you're saying, but now I think I understand what you're getting at. You're saying that if a Christian thinks it's a waste to be here on earth when we could be in Heaven, then he has no community to be with, and he doesn't see that he can befriend others in Christ and help bring others to Him? Therefore he's not the best Christian he could be?

Galatians 6: Let each one prove his own work, then he will have reason to be pleased with his own work [in Christ]. Each will bear his own load. [BUT] Let the one being taught in the Word share all good things with the one teaching.

What good things? Something to eat, something to drink, hospitality, clothing and a visit. We are all teaching each other. But when the last brother needs a visit, a kind word, a helping hand will the Son of Man really find the faith on the Earth? Luke 18:8.

Yes, and I'll add to this the preceding verses from Galatians 6 that you quoted.

Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

edit: the doing of kindnesses to another one who is for The Christ are not all spiritual assistance. It can be practical help too but either way they always result in spiritual blessings on the giver and on the receiver. and always furthers Kingdom interests. That is why 'Jesus' can say "you did it to me" .

Personally, I think of it as an expansion on one of the Two Greatest Commandments: "Love your neighbor as yourself." It's almost as if Jesus is implying, "Love your neighbor as you would love Me."

 

[savagewind]

You know, for days I couldn't make heads or tails of what you're saying, but now I think I understand what you're getting at. You're saying that if a Christian thinks it's a waste to be here on earth when we could be in Heaven, then he has no community to be with, and he doesn't see that he can befriend others in Christ and help bring others to Him? Therefore he's not the best Christian he could be?

It means if what makes me me (what I know and what I think) is useless to other believers why stay? If I meet a hundred or a thousand believers in Christ who do not give me a second glance I would rather go to the place where I know people care about love. I KNOW the writers of holy scripture know about love. I DO NOT KNOW that there is anyone living that does. Love means "the gathering of believers together". There is no one that wishes to gather to me. That feeling of loneliness can easily become a desire to gather to the holy ones deceased. "They are all living to YHWH".

Also I have observed what it does in me it to prejudge everyone as not wanting me because hundreds or maybe thousands have already proved it to me. They have proved to me they do not care for me.

 

[savagewind]

People will read into that for me to feel cared for a person must agree with me. Not so! By saying that it just proves my point more. I give frubals for posters that talk to me. Christians avoid me like the plague. They do not even READ my posts.

 

[AgogTheorist]

Hi Savagewind. I keep coming back to read this thread because it sounds like you're in pain, but I apologize that even after 4 or 5 times reading through it I'm still having a difficult time following some of what you're saying.

It sounds like you like to think deeply about things, but are having a difficult time finding people to talk about it all with. You feel ignored, and perhaps even persecuted. You long for an environment in which you can feel accepted and appreciated, and you wonder idly if whether in death you could find such an environment.

I'm very sorry you feel that way, and I apologize on behalf of any Christians who have dismissed you out of hand. It is my belief that Christians, if they take their faith seriously, should be welcoming of others even if they have differences of opinion.

At the same time, I note a few things: (1) in less than a year on this forum, you've racked up over 100 frubals, and over 50 messages on your profile. Maybe there are more people paying attention to you than it might seem? (2) The Christianity DIR isn't the most active one on this forum. Perhaps less Christians are ignoring you than it might seem? Also, it is my experience on forums such as these that a lack of response doesn't necessarily mean people are ignoring you. It may just be that they don't feel like they have anything helpful to contribute to the conversation.

I hope that you will continue to search for and eventually find a place where you feel welcome, in this life.