What is a "Christian"!?

[Dogknox]

My understanding IS.. "Christians believe the words of Jesus, Christians believe IN Jesus, All who believe the words of Jesus have ETERNAL LIFE!"

Christians have eternal life because they believe the scriptures..(ALL the scriptures)

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

My point... Some people say; "CAN'T lose salvation"!
Some people say; "You CAN lose salvation"! BOTH..
Both claim to be CHRISTIAN!! Clearly..
My QUESTION: Clearly one is WRONG, clearly one can't be Christian!!??

Some people say "Baptism saves"!
Some people say "Baptism does NOT save"!
Both claim to be CHRISTIAN.. One MUST be wrong!
One of the two can't be Christian!!

Religious debate...
Debate about WHAT/WHO is "Christians" and who is NOT!!
Am I wrong to think both CAN'T be christian!!??
Am I suppose to believe; CHRISTIANS do NOT have to accept the words of Jesus?????

Surely someone has a comment or answer!!!
>>>All who believe the words of Jesus have ETERNAL LIFE!"

This is to important a question to be ignored!!!
Could mean ETERNAL LIFE!

Dogknox

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, I think you are wrong.

IMO, "Christian" means "follower of Christ", not "person who's right about everything."

Yes, there are some points of doctrine where the spectrum of Christian belief is so wide that it's impossible for everyone to be right, but that just means that at least some of these people are mistaken. I don't think this necessarily makes them not Christian.

BTW: doesn't the Bible say (in Romans, IIRC) that worrying about the quality of others' faith shows lack of faith itself?

 

[sojourner]

Dang, Penguin! You beat me to it!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Another thought: in the Gospels, the Apostles were CONSTANTLY getting stuff wrong. Jesus had to correct them all the time. Were the Apostles not Christian?

 

[Tarheeler]

Given the wide range of Christian denominations and beliefs, I think your definition isn't very accurate. Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, and evangelical "messianic Jews" are all Christian groups, and yet they are so different in belief and action.

 

[Dogknox]

Hello Crypty.. Good to meet you..
I must ask... "Can the Holy Spirit ERR?"
IF.. There are people that believe different then can you say they are NOT being led by God!??

Can you say "Satan has his hand in the mix?"

Can you believe the verse.. "A house divided, does not stand"? OR..
"Divide and Conquer"!

I point out.. IF..
If the Holy Spirit did err and he did lead man into a lie.. The Holy Spirit would not be perfect thus he would NOT be God!
God is perfect he cannot err!

So back to the first point.. Do not CHRISTIANS use the scriptures to find truth..
Do the scriptures lead into err..Or do men reject the scriptures and still think they are CHRISTIAN??

Dogknox

 

[sojourner]

Hello Crypty.. Good to meet you..
I must ask... "Can the Holy Spirit ERR?"
IF.. There are people that believe different then can you say they are NOT being led by God!??

Can you say "Satan has his hand in the mix?"

Can you believe the verse.. "A house divided, does not stand"? OR..
"Divide and Conquer"!

I point out.. IF..
If the Holy Spirit did err and he did lead man into a lie.. The Holy Spirit would not be perfect thus he would NOT be God!
God is perfect he cannot err!

So back to the first point.. Do not CHRISTIANS use the scriptures to find truth..
Do the scriptures lead into err..Or do men reject the scriptures and still think they are CHRISTIAN??

Dogknox

You understand, I hope, that faith is not based on the bible?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hello Crypty.. Good to meet you..
I must ask... "Can the Holy Spirit ERR?"
IF.. There are people that believe different then can you say they are NOT being led by God!??

Can you say "Satan has his hand in the mix?"

Can you believe the verse.. "A house divided, does not stand"? OR..
"Divide and Conquer"!

I point out.. IF..
If the Holy Spirit did err and he did lead man into a lie.. The Holy Spirit would not be perfect thus he would NOT be God!
God is perfect he cannot err!

So back to the first point.. Do not CHRISTIANS use the scriptures to find truth..
Do the scriptures lead into err..Or do men reject the scriptures and still think they are CHRISTIAN??

Dogknox

Well, I don't believe that the Holy Spirit leads any Christians at all (mainly because I don't believe that the Holy Spirit exists), but regardless, let me put things another way:

Consider everything that you think a "perfect" Christian would do. Every single thing that you think denotes righteousness. Whatever those criteria are, the day you show me someone who consistently meets all of them - someone who is a perfect Christian with no flaws whatsoever - is the day I'll eat my hat.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Religious debate...
Debate about WHAT/WHO is "Christians" and who is NOT!!
Am I wrong to think both CAN'T be christian!!??
Am I suppose to believe; CHRISTIANS do NOT have to accept the words of Jesus?????

A christain is someone who realizes they're a sinner, destined to spend eternity in hell, and that only Christ can save them and give them eternal life. That's what saves you NOT believeing you can lose your salvation or what the right way to get baptized is, etc..so yes, people can believe different things about the theology but still be christains.

 

[sojourner]

Or, perhaps a Christian might be someone who believes that they are fearfully and wonderfully created in God's image, and that creation was deemed by God "good." Perhaps they believe that sin is not a character trait, but a misunderstanding of who they are.

 

[Dogknox]

You understand, I hope, that faith is not based on the bible?

Hello sojourner good to here from you..
I reply: with a question.. "Faith IN the bible is it not Faith IN Jesus"?
After all Jesus wrote the bible!

Would you not think.. REJECTING the scriptures IS rejecting Jesus!?

IF..Faith is not based on the scriptures???
Without the scriptures how would you hear about Jesus?!
Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

Are not the Gospels the "Good news" the MESSAGE!?

Please reply..
Dogknox

 

[Dogknox]

Well, I don't believe that the Holy Spirit leads any Christians at all (mainly because I don't believe that the Holy Spirit exists), but regardless, let me put things another way:

Consider everything that you think a "perfect" Christian would do. Every single thing that you think denotes righteousness. Whatever those criteria are, the day you show me someone who consistently meets all of them - someone who is a perfect Christian with no flaws whatsoever - is the day I'll eat my hat.

9-10ths_Penguin good to meet you..
I am confused.. "Are you Christian"? Do not Christians believe in the Holy Spirit?!

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Did I ever imply people are PERFECT..
I asked.. "Can people be called Christian and still reject the words of Jesus!"

CHRISTIAN: A person who follows Christ!

Dogknox

 

[tumbleweed41]

After all Jesus wrote the bible!

What?

Are you suggesting that Jesus wrote all 66 books of the Bible? Or even one of them?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Another thought: in the Gospels, the Apostles were CONSTANTLY getting stuff wrong. Jesus had to correct them all the time. Were the Apostles not Christian?

Look who's using Scripture like a Christian

 

[sojourner]

Hello sojourner good to here from you..
I reply: with a question.. "Faith IN the bible is it not Faith IN Jesus"?
After all Jesus wrote the bible!

Would you not think.. REJECTING the scriptures IS rejecting Jesus!?

IF..Faith is not based on the scriptures???
Without the scriptures how would you hear about Jesus?!
Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

Are not the Gospels the "Good news" the MESSAGE!?

Please reply..
Dogknox

First of all, Jesus didn't write the bible.
Secondly, the gospel is found in building relationships with one another in which there is space for God in-between.

 

[Dogknox]

A christain is someone who realizes they're a sinner, destined to spend eternity in hell, and that only Christ can save them and give them eternal life. That's what saves you NOT believeing you can lose your salvation or what the right way to get baptized is, etc..so yes, people can believe different things about the theology but still be christains.

Vadergirl123 hello I hope you are well..
I reply.. to your point 1) A christain is someone who realizes they're a sinner*YES and it is the scriptures that point it out, without believing the scriptures would you still be a sinner?!

Your point 2)destined to spend eternity in hell *QUESTION.. and how do you even know there is a hell without scriptures?!

Your point 3) only Christ can save them and give them eternal life.
*Right from the scriptures..16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Your point 4)That's what saves you NOT believeing you can lose your salvation or what the right way to get baptized
*Losing salvation and Baptism are IN the scriptures!!
QUESTION is not..Rejecting Baptism or rejecting SALVATION rejecting the words of Jesus!

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing..

QUESTION can you be a disciple and not be Baptized!??

Your point 5) so yes, people can believe different things about the theology but still be christains.
* I reply..Mormons LDS believe Satan is Jesus' brother!!! Are they Christian!??
QUESTION..Does the Holy Spirit guide the LDS into having FAITH "Satan is Jesus' brother!" ??

Simple question plese reply!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Look who's using Scripture like a Christian

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle.

I can also debate at length about how many Klingon Birds of Prey would be a match for the USS Enterprise.

(BTW: if we're talking about the Enterprise D, the answer is 3.)

 

[Tarheeler]

What?

Are you suggesting that Jesus wrote all 66 books of the Bible? Or even one of them?

Seriously. Even the Baptist churches I went to taught that Moses, the prophets, David, and the apostles all had something to say.

 

[Dogknox]

What?

Are you suggesting that Jesus wrote all 66 books of the Bible? Or even one of them?

I am saying "Jesus wrote the whole book Old and New Testament!"

tumbleweed41 Scriptures answer you..
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The words of Jesus..
31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.
33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful.
34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.
35 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

I say.. Rejecting the scriptures IS rejecting Jesus!
>>>SCriptures tell me; "Jesus' words are the words of GOD!!!"

Saying you reject the scriptures is saying "God tells lies"! Don't you think!!:yes:

 

[Dogknox]

First of all, Jesus didn't write the bible.
Secondly, the gospel is found in building relationships with one another in which there is space for God in-between.

QUESTION.. Is Jesus God?!
QUESTION Did God write the Bible!?

Dogknox