What is a female??

[ImmortalFlame]

I do not think that having sex for pleasure is a bad thing in and of itself; pleasure remains a valid instigation to sexual activity, but when that impetus is unrestrained it must lead to problems.

Nobody is saying it should be "unrestrained". Just that such restraints ought to be reasonable. History has shown that regressive and overly-puritanical restrictions on sex and sexuality are universally destructive.

Again, the defect does not lie in sex itself, but rather in the amount of mental and physical resource devoted to it.

Why do you care if some people devote more time to it or not? It doesn't affect you. I, personally, don't care what people choose to preoccupy their thoughts with, be it sex, gardening, philosophy or painting wax chickens. All things can be excessive, and that excess can always result in harm, but sex is not a preoccupation that is unique in that regard.

My feelings about engaging in sex for the pleasure of it must be understood within the context of my general philosophy of life. I believe, as did Kierkegaard and others, that a life lived primarily in the pursuit of pleasure is one of irresponsibility and what used to be called “dissipation”. Kierkegaard’s opus Either/Or deals with this in some detail, and the continual pursuit of (tactile, auditory, visual, etc.) stimulative pleasure would seem to me to be one of the major problems in modern, western society, with everybody wanting to continually be made to “feel good” while ignoring responsibilities and purpose.

Any actual facts to support that? Modern, western society is currently more productive, powerful and expansive than any society has ever been in all of history. What are we losing, exactly, by having the freedom as individuals to pursue whatever pleases us?

Within such a philosophical context, the idea of having sex for stimulative pleasure is only a good thing within certain bounds.

ALL things are only good "within certain bounds". The question is where those bounds OUGHT to be.

In short, I feel that the pursuit of sensual pleasure is good on occasion, but is bad for being irresponsible when pursued as a way of life. In this, the problem is not sex or pleasure, but is self-indulgence. Modern western societies seem extraordinarily self-indulgent.

And yet modern, western society has never been more productive, wealthier or more influential.

So, maybe your analysis is flawed?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Neither did I. All I said was that there was evidence some teens claim transgenderism because it is trendy.

Which is fine, except if it isn't exactly a serious or widespread issue then it isn't really relevant to the broader discussion, is it?

Do you believe it's not really a significant or widespread issue?

 

[Zwing]

So, to be clear, you agree that a society in which people do NOT remove people's genitals in public for impregnating a woman, and do NOT treat women like property, is less "degenerative" than a society that does?

Before I continue, please quote the passage of text wherein I have indicated women as “property”, or as something similar to property. You have insinuated as much as that I have done so twice now, as well as levelled an accusation of misogyny against me (how you interpreted anything that I have written thusly is beyond me) and I cannot say that I am enjoying that. Thanks...waiting.

 

[Kfox]

Which is fine, except if it isn't exactly a serious or widespread issue then it isn't really relevant to the broader discussion, is it?

It is because Autism is not trendy.

Do you believe it's not really a significant or widespread issue?

I suspect it is a heck of a lot more widespread than you think.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It is because Autism is not trendy.

There's people who self-diagnose and fake having mental issues, too, including autism. They do it to gain sympathy and be seen as special and a victim, or just to be lazy and get out of doing something. I've seen people faking anxiety disorders, dissociative identity disorder and even Tourette's. I can't stand these people because they make it a lot harder on those people who actually suffer from those conditions to be taken seriously. They should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Kfox]

There's people who self-diagnose and fake having mental issues, too, including autism. They do it to gain sympathy and be seen as special and a victim, or just to be lazy and get out of doing something. I've seen people faking anxiety disorders, dissociative identity disorder and even Tourette's. I can't stand these people because they make it a lot harder on those people who actually suffer from those conditions to be taken seriously. They should be ashamed of themselves.

How many people in the real world are hated, loved, vilified, praised, silenced, applauded due to their views concerning autism? How many due to their views concerning transgenderism?
How many threads on this form, or even forums like this one do people argue for days and weeks over views concerning autism? How many due to views about transgenderism?
How often is autism the subject in the media, politics, academia, sports, actors, entertainment, and every major corporation world wide? How often is the transgender issue?
When you look at how much power, attention, and recognition is directed at one issue compared to the other, would it be any surprise to you that a child with a developing mind will be more likely to desire to become the subject of the issue that garners all the power, attention, and recognition? Or do you think a child is just as likely to claim to be autistic.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Before I continue, please quote the passage of text wherein I have indicated women as “property”, or as something similar to property.

I didn't say you did. You brought up Saudi Arabia mutilating or killing men for impregnating unmarried women, and I asked you if you thought that was a good thing and what you thought it indicated - because, to me, all it indicated, among other things, is that Saudi Arabia treats women like property. The part you're quoting is literally ASKING you for your position. Why are you so reluctant to give it?

You have insinuated as much as that I have done so twice now, as well as levelled an accusation of misogyny against me (how you interpreted anything that I have written thusly is beyond me) and I cannot say that I am enjoying that. Thanks...waiting.

Nope. I did neither. The accusations were levelled against the countries and instances you used as examples, not you.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It is because Autism is not trendy.

...

And...?

Also, I would argue that it kind of is. There are tonnes of people online who self-diagnose - or outright pretend to be - autistic or on the spectrum in some way.

I suspect it is a heck of a lot more widespread than you think.

Based on...?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A miserable pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at you!!!

I don't think I've ever platonically loved someone as I do now. You have thoroughly delighted and tickled my nerd bones.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

S -- HE
WO -- MAN
FE -- MALE
HU -- MAN
PER -- SON

I don't know that that displays any linguist pattern or not, but it certainly is interesting.

Don't take this as necessarily a fact as these people taught me wrong on much and I forgot this until now, but the Church taught me for woman amd female that pattern you noticed is intentional and deliberate. If I recall correctly (and this was decades ago) the claim was the word woman means something like of a man or from a man.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

and even Tourette's.

That must have been beyond pathetic and egregiouslyand obviously fake.
Let me guess, the ******* just cussed a lot?

 

[SomeRandom]

I don't think I've ever platonically loved someone as I do now. You have thoroughly delighted and tickled my nerd bones.

Aww shucks

 

[SomeRandom]

I agree! But what does this have to do with what we are talking about?

My apologies. I thought the complaint was about the influx (seemingly) of an issue with a rise in reports of gender identity issues among children which resembled a similar influx of autism reports among children. If that makes sense?
(sorry long day.)
Either way, the issue would be reported by minors to their parents for further inquiry. Which would include (presumably) medical professionals.
Hence my doctors would know better comment
Did I misunderstand?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Aww shucks

Let us go out this evening for pleasure.
The night is still young.

 

[SomeRandom]

Let us go out this evening for pleasure.
The night is still young.

 

[Kfox]

...

And...?

My point is, the two cannot be compared.

Also, I would argue that it kind of is. There are tonnes of people online who self-diagnose - or outright pretend to be - autistic or on the spectrum in some way.

How many people in the real world are hated, loved, vilified, praised, silenced, applauded due to their views concerning autism? How many due to their views concerning transgenderism?
How many threads on this form, or even forums like this one do people argue for days and weeks over views concerning autism? How many due to views about transgenderism?
How often is autism the subject in the media, politics, academia, sports, actors, entertainment, and every major corporation world wide? How often is the transgender issue?
When you look at how much power, attention, and recognition is directed at one issue compared to the other, would it be any surprise to you that a child with a developing mind will be more likely to desire to become the subject of the issue that garners all the power, attention, and recognition? Or do you really think a child is just as likely to claim to be autistic.

Based on...?

My experiences, and your replies.

 

[Kfox]

My apologies. I thought the complaint was about the influx (seemingly) of an issue with a rise in reports of gender identity issues among children which resembled a similar influx of autism reports among children. If that makes sense?
(sorry long day.)
Either way, the issue would be reported by minors to their parents for further inquiry. Which would include (presumably) medical professionals.
Hence my doctors would know better comment
Did I misunderstand?

I suspect most kids claiming to be trans or non binary are not under the care of any type of professional, they just claim it, and everybody around them accepts and respects it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

My point is, the two cannot be compared.

I would agree insofar as the cultural reaction regarding trans people has vastly outweighed the cultural reaction regarding autistic people, but I would perhaps argue that this may simply be a case of larger, broader moral panics resulting from questioning or challenging gender are generally going to be more pervasive. Then you get into the issue that the reaction AGAINST something tends to produce more significant COUNTER-reaction. It's a kind of chicken-egg situation.

How many people in the real world are hated, loved, vilified, praised, silenced, applauded due to their views concerning autism? How many due to their views concerning transgenderism?

Quite a few, actually. We had a very lengthy panic over the notion of vaccinations causing autism, and that movement divided people quite heavily (and still continues to divide people today).

How many threads on this form, or even forums like this one do people argue for days and weeks over views concerning autism? How many due to views about transgenderism?

Again, it's kind of chicken-egg. Did the outrage precede the discussion, or did the discussion precede the outrage? I would argue that a huge part of why people find it so necessary to discuss the issue of trans people so much nowadays is because of the spread of anti-trans rhetoric and responses to trans inclusive movements.

How often is autism the subject in the media, politics, academia, sports, actors, entertainment, and every major corporation world wide? How often is the transgender issue?

Honestly, I would argue that - right now - they're probably close to being on par, overall. I've probably seen more movies and TV shows about being autistic (or featuring an autistic person) than I have seen movies or TV shows about, or featuring, trans people. But that may just be a confirmation bias. I definitely think there is CURRENTLY more trans-friendly and trans-inclusive media that autism-friendly or autism-inclusive media being produced, but that may just be a reaction to the current climate that will level out over time.

When you look at how much power, attention, and recognition is directed at one issue compared to the other, would it be any surprise to you that a child with a developing mind will be more likely to desire to become the subject of the issue that garners all the power, attention, and recognition? Or do you really think a child is just as likely to claim to be autistic.

I've not really seen any statistics to support the idea that trans-trenders are a significant issue. I am sure there must be some, but I doubt that they are a significant enough number to be considered any more of a real problem than people who feign autism, or people who feign being a racial minority, or people who feign being abused.

My experiences, and your replies.

Your experiences of what? What experiences have you had that lead you to believe that trans-tending is a widespread problem?

 

[Kfox]

I would agree insofar as the cultural reaction regarding trans people has vastly outweighed the cultural reaction regarding autistic people, but I would perhaps argue that this may simply be a case of larger, broader moral panics resulting from questioning or challenging gender are generally going to be more pervasive.

My point is, the reaction is much different; the reason is irrelevant.

Quite a few, actually. We had a very lengthy panic over the notion of vaccinations causing autism, and that movement divided people quite heavily (and still continues to divide people today).

I remember the Hoopla over Autism. People weren’t being silenced, vilified, or hated, it was more of people being seen as conspiracy theorists.

Honestly, I would argue that - right now - they're probably close to being on par, overall. I've probably seen more movies and TV shows about being autistic (or featuring an autistic person) than I have seen movies or TV shows about, or featuring, trans people. But that may just be a confirmation bias. I definitely think there is CURRENTLY more trans-friendly and trans-inclusive media that autism-friendly or autism-inclusive media being produced, but that may just be a reaction to the current climate that will level out over time.

I mentioned media, politics, academia, sports, actors, entertainment, and every major corporation world wide; and the only one you addressed was TV shows, and I can’t even agree with ya on that. Perhaps we can agree to disagree on this one.

I've not really seen any statistics to support the idea that trans-trenders are a significant issue. I am sure there must be some, but I doubt that they are a significant enough number to be considered any more of a real problem than people who feign autism, or people who feign being a racial minority, or people who feign being abused.

You won’t find any statistics, cancel culture will prevent something like that from coming to light, I’m just talking about what makes sense. If a kid sees the attention someone gets by coming out as trans, that is gonna be far more attractive than coming out as mentally ill. And as far as pretending to be a racial minority, or being abused, that happens a lot too! Now I’m not saying any of this stuff is a major problem, just pointing out that it happens.

 

[Riders]

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice?

That about clears it up for me.