What is a female??

[ImmortalFlame]

My point is, the reaction is much different; the reason is irrelevant.

I think the reasons matter, but if you're just making the observation then it's fine. I think the difference is largely of scale, and I do think part of that is also the prevalence of social media making it far easier to whip people up into a frenzy about issues.

I remember the Hoopla over Autism. People weren’t being silenced, vilified, or hated, it was more of people being seen as conspiracy theorists.

I saw an awful lot of hate in media, directed at doctors, teachers, politicians, and some even directed towards autistic kids themselves. Like I said, I think the scale is much smaller than the current hoola - as you call it - but the sentiments are similar.

I mentioned media, politics, academia, sports, actors, entertainment, and every major corporation world wide; and the only one you addressed was TV shows, and I can’t even agree with ya on that. Perhaps we can agree to disagree on this one.

I think we may have to, as it may just be a matter of the different media you and I find ourselves exposed to. I'm very much a middle-class Brit, and we were the epicentre of the anti-vax movement, because unfortunately this is where that slimy ****-bag Wakefield first emerged. I think it's possible we're seeing a lot less trans-inclusive media in general than people in America are these days.

You won’t find any statistics, cancel culture will prevent something like that from coming to light, I’m just talking about what makes sense. If a kid sees the attention someone gets by coming out as trans, that is gonna be far more attractive than coming out as mentally ill. And as far as pretending to be a racial minority, or being abused, that happens a lot too! Now I’m not saying any of this stuff is a major problem, just pointing out that it happens.

I can agree that it is almost definitely a thing that happens.

 

[SomeRandom]

I suspect most kids claiming to be trans or non binary are not under the care of any type of professional, they just claim it, and everybody around them accepts and respects it.

Perhaps.
I can’t say for certain either way.
I would prefer these instances all occur under medical supervision, but I can also understand people wanting to save their money. Even here, Medicare (our universal healthcare) doesn’t cover literally everything. So you have to go private for some things and these days, well, you gotta eat as well so

 

[Kfox]

Perhaps.
I can’t say for certain either way.
I would prefer these instances all occur under medical supervision, but I can also understand people wanting to save their money. Even here, Medicare (our universal healthcare) doesn’t cover literally everything. So you have to go private for some things and these days, well, you gotta eat as well so

Again; it isn’t about insurance or money. For a kid to come out trans is like coming out gay. If your child said they were gay, would you take them to a medical professional?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was reminded today, all these people who think they knkw and are so sure with their defitions and expectations (that the occasional cis person can't meet), for all their misgendering and thinking they see everything for how they think it really is, well, they'd probably even call me ma'am seeing me working on my car. So much so one lady walked past, said hi, did a double take then yelled "oh my god! That's a girl under there," ran up to me, asking me if I need help because she thought somebody beat me unconscious and left me there.
It actually made me think of my best friend and how people usually don't give her time of day with cars despite the facts she's really good with them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Again; it isn’t about insurance or money. For a kid to come out trans is like coming out gay. If your child said they were gay, would you take them to a medical professional?

Yes, I would. I would get them set up with therapy so they can learn to cope in a society with many who hate them amd some who would wish to do them harm, and hopefully learn how to grow up into better adjusted, less angry and bitter adult than I am.

 

[SomeRandom]

Again; it isn’t about insurance or money. For a kid to come out trans is like coming out gay. If your child said they were gay, would you take them to a medical professional?

If that required it, sure.
Being gay is not overseen by the medical profession, currently. To my knowledge anyway. Being gay does not involve any hormone treatments, any plans moving forward (except in cases where shunning is involved, unfortunately) any treatments etc
Having gender dysphoria typically does.
I don’t understand why you’re ignoring this built in feature. If a person is trans, typically that involves a doctor by default. Not because there’s anything wrong, but to assess the situation and provide the best advice for a fulfilling and healthy life. Usually involving some kind of gender affirming care or even just informing the parents what to expect and what plans are beneficial in the long run.
Why is that such issue? I’ve visited the doctor just to see if I was okay. Nothing wrong with me, just had a doctor’s visit. If money is indeed not an issue, why would someone avoid doing that?
Check ups are a thing in the US, are they not? Or is that dependant on insurance?

Like being gay and being trans are two different things, this is known in the medical community. You can certainly be both, or either. But they are differing circumstances regardless. Thus resulting in differing medical advice. Dependant on the specific circumstances, of course.

 

[Kfox]

Yes, I would. I would get them set up with therapy so they can learn to cope in a society with many who hate them amd some who would wish to do them harm, and hopefully learn how to grow up into better adjusted, less angry and bitter adult than I am.

I had no idea things were so bad in your country. In the US, it is common to see gay people in public just like everybody else, gay people don't need therapy to learn how to cope with other people.

 

[Kfox]

If that required it, sure.
Being gay is not overseen by the medical profession, currently.

Neither is coming out trans.

Being gay does not involve any hormone treatments,

Neither does coming out trans.

Having gender dysphoria typically does.

I said coming out trans, I said nothing about having gender dysphoria.

I don’t understand why you’re ignoring this built in feature. If a person is trans, typically that involves a doctor by default.

No it does not. All it takes for a kid to come out trans or even non-binary is for them to proclaim it to everyone around them and as long as the kid is fine, the parents feel no need to get anybody else involved. I personally know of this happening

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I had no idea things were so bad in your country. In the US, it is common to see gay people in public just like everybody else, gay people don't need therapy to learn how to cope with other people.

Not sure which US you're in, but this US has had a significant rise in LGBT targeted violence, with three times more incidents than just two years ago. We have Republicans bringing back the idea of removing gay marriage, and antidiscrimination protections, and a dramatic increase in shootings of gay establishments since the Pulse Orlando shooting. And with kids, LGBT kids are more likely to recieve bullying than cis straight kids, including more likely to be threatened with and injured by weapons brought on school grounds.

It takes an immense amount of privilege to look at the US and think things are fine for gay people here. Unless you think 'being allowed to be in public' is a gold standard.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yes, I would. I would get them set up with therapy so they can learn to cope in a society with many who hate them amd some who would wish to do them harm, and hopefully learn how to grow up into better adjusted, less angry and bitter adult than I am.

Honestly the world would be a better place if more people in every demographic went to therapy as a matter of course. As US is woefully emotionally constipated with emotional availability and introspection seen as a weakness. But I don't think the country in general is ready for that conversation yet, especially with mental healthcare access being so abysmal here.

 

[Kfox]

Not sure which US you're in, but this US has had a significant rise in LGBT targeted violence, with three times more incidents than just two years ago. We have Republicans bringing back the idea of removing gay marriage, and antidiscrimination protections, and a dramatic increase in shootings of gay establishments since the Pulse Orlando shooting. And with kids, LGBT kids are more likely to recieve bullying than cis straight kids, including more likely to be threatened with and injured by weapons brought on school grounds.

It takes an immense amount of privilege to look at the US and think things are fine for gay people here. Unless you think 'being allowed to be in public' is a gold standard.

Black, white, gay, straight, liberal, conservative, in the US there will always be people who will love or hate you due to who you are. That doesn't mean you will need therapy to learn how to deal with such people. No. Gay people do not need therapy to deal with people in public; if you disagree, come to American and talk to some gay people and ask how many are actually receiving therapy due to being gay.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Black, white, gay, straight, liberal, conservative, in the US there will always be people who will love or hate you due to who you are. That doesn't mean you will need therapy to learn how to deal with such people. No. Gay people do not need therapy to deal with people in public; if you disagree, come to American and talk to some gay people and ask how many are actually receiving therapy due to being gay.

I can confidently say that many are. But not because they need therapy to process being gay, but because they need therapy to process the **** that's been inflicted on them by their parents, peers, and community doing a lot more than just having a negative opinion of them.

(Honestly most straight people need therapy, too. But that's another topic.)

 

[Kfox]

I can confidently say that many are. But not because they need therapy to process being gay, but because they need therapy to process the **** that's been inflicted on them by their parents, peers, and community doing a lot more than just having a negative opinion of them.

(Honestly most straight people need therapy, too. But that's another topic.)

Do you believe the majority of gay people are in therapy?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Do you believe the majority of gay people are in therapy?

No, but not because they don't need it or wouldn't benefit from it, but because accessibility is **** poor in this country, and stigmatized.
Do I believe the rates are higher than the general population? Absolutely.

 

[Kfox]

No, but not because they don't need it or wouldn't benefit from it, but because accessibility is **** poor in this country, and stigmatized.
Do I believe the rates are higher than the general population? Absolutely.

So it is your view that most gay people want therapy but don't have access to it?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So it is your view that most gay people want therapy but don't have access to it?

Want or would benefit from it if they pushed past stigmatization of therapy, yes.

Edit: we already know LGBT are more likely to seek therapy than cis straight. Sexual minorities more likely to seek mental health services, study finds

 

[Kfox]

Want or would benefit from it if they pushed past stigmatization of therapy, yes.

Fair enough, but then as you said before; in your opinion most straight people need therapy too. I can understand your opinion even if I do not agree with it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Fair enough, but then as you said before; in your opinion most straight people need therapy too. I can understand your opinion even if I do not agree with it.

Yes, because most people experience some form of trauma during their lifetime even when not existing in an end stage capitalistic hellhole. And because the hyperindividualiam and warped version of stoicism has created a lot of emotionally unavailabls adults who don't know how to access, process or communicate their feelings. And that even having feelings is memed into derision, which puts a big hamper on utilizing empathy.

Ideally, mental health checkups should be as commonplace as physical checkups. Or maybe as common as physical training.

 

[SomeRandom]

Neither is coming out trans.

I mean, just coming out? Sure, I guess that in and of itself doesn’t really need medicine or anything. For any identity.
It is still usually medically recommended that trans identifying people seek aid/advice. They can elect not to, that’s entirely their choice. Or their parents’ choice, rather. But people can elect not to listen to their doctor for any reason whatsoever. Is that a wise decision? Ehhhh

I said coming out trans, I said nothing about having gender dysphoria.

My apologies. I assumed you were speaking about the phenomenon specifically.
Now I realise you were including other identities, such as non binary. Sure, I agree this does not require any medical advice.

No it does not. All it takes for a kid to come out trans or even non-binary is for them to proclaim it to everyone around them and as long as the kid is fine, the parents feel no need to get anybody else involved. I personally know of this happening

Well it is their business and no one else’s’, I suppose
I commend parents who accept their child as they are.
Too often I’ve heard about people being kicked out or shunned for simply being gay or trans or bi or what have you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I had no idea things were so bad in your country. In the US, it is common to see gay people in public just like everybody else, gay people don't need therapy to learn how to cope with other people.

Seeing gays doesn't mean they aren't being harassed or targeted for violence. And also there are sime Supreme Court Justices who want to revoke gay marriage and many politicians who want them back in the closet.