What is a perfect religion?

[Halcyon]

What would constitute an ideal religion, assuming all religions should have common ideals?

I think an ideal religion would base itself upon ending human suffering, but through an understanding of the real world and how humans fit into it, rather than through an idealised world based upon how people would like things to be.

 

[Popeyesays]

Jesus preached a perfect religion, once He was gone it was up to the Christians to continue. In some senses they succeeded in others they failed.

Same for Abraham, Moses, Krshna, Zoroaster, Buddha, Muhammed, The Bab and Baha`u'llah.

The Kingdom of God on earth must be built by those who dwell on earth. The important thing is that each do the best they can while entrusted with the construction of the Kingdom.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Magic Man]

What do they see, do you think, that you don't?

I'd say it's more the way they see, rather than what they see.

 

[Random]

I'd say it's more the way they see, rather than what they see.

And...why would you assume, or how would you know, that their Way or Tao was the way, or any better than yours? Because they say cool, deep stuff about symbolism and signs and things signified that sound so much smarter than anything than anything else people here are saying?

 

[Willamena]

I'd say it's more the way they see, rather than what they see.

Thank you, that's a real compliment.

I don't think I'm on any "level" anyone else isn't. That's why I get frustrated when you don't listen. :slap:

 

[Magic Man]

And...why would you assume, or how would you know, that their Way or Tao was the way, or any better than yours? Because they say cool, deep stuff about symbolism and signs and things signified that sound so much smarter than anything than anything else people here are saying?

No, because the stuff makes sense, and I know that if I can see things the way they do at some point, everything will be simple and clear.

 

[Magic Man]

Thank you, that's a real compliment.

I don't think I'm on any "level" anyone else isn't. That's why I get frustrated when you don't listen. :slap:

Believe me it's not that I don't listen. It's just that I can't see it that way. I look at a lot of your remarks as riddles, and I haven't figured them out yet. I get the feeling it really is simple, but that's why I say that it's the way you see.

 

[Tau]

I think an ideal religion would base itself upon ending human suffering, but through an understanding of the real world and how humans fit into it, rather than through an idealised world based upon how people would like things to be.

Holistic humanism as a basis for a religion....and why not Halcyon....for the greater good!

 

[idea]

What is the perfect religion?

the one that makes you perfect.

 

[Tau]

the one that makes you perfect.

Define the perfect human being.

 

[zoe and vic]

Jesus Christ.- body of man- spirit of God.

 

[gnostic]

There's no such thing as perfect religion.

Since there is no manifestation of a perfect god, physically, spiritually or otherwise, I would say there is no god beyond what a person believe and what's in their so-called scriptures. Other than that people are believing primitive or archaic myth about something that they didn't understand, but call it a "god".

 

[YmirGF]

Never underestimate the value of silly putty.

Well said.

Really? You guys are on another level to the rest of us? You three here on this internet forum have the "keys". Wow.

I would never say "I" am on another level that anyone else is not already present on Conor. I think the other two "key holders" might agree that it was much simpler finding those keys than most people realize. It is because it is relatively simple that most people miss finding them. The thing is ANYONE can find them, at any time. It isn't hard and you don't need a religion to figure out how to use them.

Well, I would definitely say that Willamena and Dopp have the keys. I can't say one way or the other about Ymir, but the other two are definitely on a level above me and most others I've come across.

*sniffle* Well, I can assure you that neither they, nor I, are "above" you in any way. Beside you, definitely, but never "above".

What do they see, do you think, that you don't?

Good question, Conor. And with every question comes a great answer.

I'd say it's more the way they see, rather than what they see.

Exactly. I have come to recognize Dopp first and later Willamena, that they both have a quirky way of seeing reality that is very similar to my own. No, we don't agree on everything, but as you say, it is the way that the two interpret what they see that resonates with this old frost giant. Maybe we are just dealing in less rigid symbols than is the norm. Perhaps not.

I think this post was quite brilliant. Go, Paul, go.

I think an ideal religion would base itself upon ending human suffering, but through an understanding of the real world and how humans fit into it, rather than through an idealised world based upon how people would like things to be.

It's like I try to say, if people could accept reality, on reality's terms, rather than on how they insist reality ought to behave, in general, I think they would be much happier overall. They wouldn't be suffering as much from life not meeting their expectations for starters.

And...why would you assume, or how would you know, that their Way or Tao was the way, or any better than yours? Because they say cool, deep stuff about symbolism and signs and things signified that sound so much smarter than anything than anything else people here are saying?

Hehe. Quite honestly, it is the quality of the information that stands out, as I suspect, you realize well. There is a clarity in both Dopp and WIllamena's writing that is sometimes obvious, but more often it is like peeling an onion. There are successive layers in their writing and hopefully in mine too, as that is how I design my words.

No, because the stuff makes sense, and I know that if I can see things the way they do at some point, everything will be simple and clear.

Or much more complex than you may expect, lol. You have to try to appreciate that in the simplcity there is dazzling complexity. The simple fact that they (and perhaps myself) can boil things down so succinctly is a testiment to their "vision".

Believe me it's not that I don't listen. It's just that I can't see it that way. I look at a lot of your remarks as riddles, and I haven't figured them out yet. I get the feeling it really is simple, but that's why I say that it's the way you see.

Hehe. I call it "koan-speak". You get used to it after awhile. It's much easier when you know more is being said than the words on the page might seem to suggest.

 

[Magic Man]

Or much more complex than you may expect, lol. You have to try to appreciate that in the simplcity there is dazzling complexity. The simple fact that they (and perhaps myself) can boil things down so succinctly is a testiment to their "vision".

Hehe. I call it "koan-speak". You get used to it after awhile. It's much easier when you know more is being said than the words on the page might seem to suggest.

I think this is the heart of it. I don't expect complexity to ever go away, but it would seem simple, if I had their vision. The second part illustrates this. I get the feeling that when they say something, it never means the obvious. To them it's all clear, but to me it takes some figuring out.

 

[YmirGF]

I think this is the heart of it. I don't expect complexity to ever go away, but it would seem simple, if I had their vision. The second part illustrates this. I get the feeling that when they say something, it never means the obvious. To them it's all clear, but to me it takes some figuring out.

Thank you for that. I'm not trying to wedge into your respect for Dopp and Willamena, but our "relationship" goes back a fair bit now. Willamena was far more difficult to understand, at first. She is a gem, to be sure. Given that I have been furballed by Patty and Brandon over 25 times each, (I actually checked till I went cross-eyed, lol) I guess I am scoring some hits, then again, they could just be feeling sorry for me.

 

[Tau]

There's no such thing as perfect religion.

Since there is no manifestation of a perfect god, physically, spiritually or otherwise, I would say there is no god beyond what a person believe and what's in their so-called scriptures. Other than that people are believing primitive or archaic myth about something that they didn't understand, but call it a "god".

You say there is no manifestation of God?

I disagree just look around you gnostic, any God that is just a God of someone's imagination would be rather useless...but I understand what you are saying, I think God is real, whatever God is, its just the religions that are suspect...

 

[Tau]

Jesus Christ.- body of man- spirit of God.

No advertising please, Christianity for me is not an example of what makes a perfect religion, by a long shot.

 

[idea]

Define the perfect human being.

I do not think there is any upper bound to how happy you can be, or how much you can love etc… no upper bound, so perfection is not a specific state of being, rather it is a way of being/ I think you achieve perfection, through Jesus, when you stop digressing – you are perfect when 100% of your actions are those of progression. Eternally progressing is perfect.

Yes, I threw in Jesus, someone has to be there to allow us to fully escape the mistakes of our past...

 

[zoe and vic]

No advertising please, Christianity for me is not an example of what makes a perfect religion, by a long shot.

He was the only perfect human being.

 

[Magic Man]

Thank you for that. I'm not trying to wedge into your respect for Dopp and Willamena, but our "relationship" goes back a fair bit now. Willamena was far more difficult to understand, at first. She is a gem, to be sure. Given that I have been furballed by Patty and Brandon over 25 times each, (I actually checked till I went cross-eyed, lol) I guess I am scoring some hits, then again, they could just be feeling sorry for me.

No, I understand. I just haven't dealt with you enough to come to a decision on you. I'm not saying you don't have the keys, I'm just saying that I don't know. I'll just say that I've also been fruballed by them, especially Patty, quite a few times, so, in my case, they must have been pity frubals.