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What is a religious extremist?

@stevecanuck

I should point out that it's not just extremist Catholics.

Sometimes extremist Jews get uppity and call out Blasphemy and Idolatry as well.

Gun Worship Is Blasphemy

Our gun-flooded society has turned weapons into idols, and the worship of idols must be recognized for what it is: blasphemy. And the only appropriate religious response to blasphemy is sustained moral outrage and focused moral action.



Above all, let us remember this: Sensible gun-control is a religious issue.

The indiscriminate distribution of guns is an offense against God and humanity.

Controlling guns is not only a political matter; it is a solemn religious obligation. Our gun-flooded society has turned weapons into idols, and the worship of idols must be recognized for what it is: blasphemy. And the only appropriate religious response to blasphemy is sustained moral outrage and focused moral action.

There is not a single word in the sacred Scriptures of the Christian, Jewish or Islamic traditions that either opposes commonsensical gun control or supports the idea of some God-given right to automatic weapons that fire 100 shots in a single minute.

Yes, our constitution gives us certain guarantees when it comes to gun ownership. But there is nothing in the constitution that says we are entitled to own weapons with a magazine of more than eight to 10 bullets. There is nothing that obligates us to go along with what the NRA has long advocated: the right of almost any terrorist suspect, deranged person, wife-beater and crook to buy almost any weapon at almost any time, no questions asked.

When these terrible tragedies occur, our nation looks to its religious leaders and its places of worship to provide comfort to the victims and solace to a stricken nation. And it is important that we should do so; we have the capacity to mobilize communities of the faithful, to provide love and caring to those in distress, and to hold our fellow Americans together when anguish and fear are driving us apart.

But at this moment, more is needed of the religious community. As men and women of God, we need to take the moral offensive and demand that something be done.

My plea to every pastor, priest, rabbi and imam in America: This is not the time for the usual platitudes. And yes, we need programs for troubled teens and fewer bloodthirsty movies and hideous video games. But we also need to take on the gun nuts, a single-issue minority too often motivated by intolerance and filled with hate.

When it comes to guns, Americans have learned to be cynical. They have learned that no matter how great the outrage, the entrenched gun interests are always triumphant. But as religious leaders, we know what this leads to. We know that when good people back down again and again; when the gun worshipers are rewarded with ever-more radical pro-gun legislation; when the corpses of the dead, lying bloody before us, are ignored; and when the zealotry and folly of the pro-gun lobby are not confronted by the forces of sanity, the result is fatalism and despair, undermining faith in government and faith in God.

I understand that gun control is not a simple matter; that compromise will be necessary; and that honest, well-intentioned people will differ on exactly what measures are required. But we must make a start. Surely this is the moment to create a coalition of sensible citizens, willing to come forward and say no to the deadly toll that guns are taking on the lives of our children. Surely this is the time to reach out to politicians, of all persuasions and all parties, and ask them to put the welfare of our children and the safety of our citizens ahead of petty, partisan concerns. And surely religious leaders and institutions -- obligated to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with their God -- should lead the way.

If this massacre of innocents in Newtown will not rouse the nation's conscience, then nothing will. Therefore, this is the moment to mobilize the idealism, energy and anger of the American people.

And a word to President Obama: Nothing will happen without the national leadership that only you can provide. You have been a voice for hope and change, but if truth be told, in this area you have been mostly silent. I believe -- although I can't be sure -- that Americans are ready for a leader with the sense and the guts to tackle the abuses of our gun culture. We need to hear from you a voice of moral clarity and a practical plan that you will be prepared to fight for. Your tears about the murdered children were genuine, but they were not enough. No excuses and no dawdling. If Americans are to stop the slaughter and find their higher selves, religious leaders have a critical role to play -- but they can only do so much. The President of the United States must lead the way.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member

What is a religious extremist?​

In my personal opinion, this is just a word created to throw at anyone as pleased to slam them with a color. An easy buzzword that if repeated and established would help someone put another person in a box without hurting the proponent. Makes life easy for the hypocrite.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Worldwide?

Wow!

Let’s take the default location for Catholicism.

The center of the world, the Axis Mundi, where heaven meets earth and hell.

Remember, we’re talking about theism, here.

And Plate Tectonics.

Historians go back to Pangia.
Your post is so scrambled that I really can't respond to it. I don't see what any of this has to do with a fundamentalist orientation. You bring up Plate Tectonics why? It's just very weird.
 
It’s the historians who bring up plate tectonics, not me.

Remember, it’s at the center of the world in Catholicism.

Why does the world even have a center?

Is there an explanation for its existence?

Maybe plate tectonics can provide a clue.

Is there any reason not to look to science for answers to our questions? That’s what historians and anthropologists do.
 
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stevecanuck

Well-Known Member

What is a religious extremist?​

In my personal opinion, this is just a word created to throw at anyone as pleased to slam them with a color. An easy buzzword that if repeated and established would help someone put another person in a box without hurting the proponent. Makes life easy for the hypocrite.

Sort of like 'Islamophobe', right?
 

☆Dreamwind☆

Active Member
Someone who is a brainwashed fanatic. Tries or succeeds in exerting power over others through manipulation, familial/community shunning, force, and politics.

Alternatively obeys blindly, even to the detriment of themselves.

Cannot be reasoned with. Attempts to suppress intelligence, critical thinking, and education.

Is prejudiced, rigid, and hypocritical. Uses language that cultivates views of all the world being an enemy. At its most extreme will use faith to justify severely harming, oppressing, and murdering others.

Extremists have essentially veered from faith to cult behavior, and I see them as no better then the likes of Scientology, Jonestown, Waco and others of that ilk.

TL/DR:There's a sliding scale, but none of it is positive.
 
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SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member

What is a religious extremist?​

In my personal opinion, this is just a word created to throw at anyone as pleased to slam them with a color. An easy buzzword that if repeated and established would help someone put another person in a box without hurting the proponent. Makes life easy for the hypocrite.

Sort of like 'Islamophobe', right?
It always intrigues me when both parties in a debate are wrong, or at the very least, their intentions and/or motives are.

@firedragon ~ While you're welcome to your opinion, as incorrect as it may be, several more accurate definitions have been provided ITT.

@stevecanuck ~ If you want accurate definitions of "Islamophobe," create a new thread rather than baiting people into potential rule violations.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
To me, there are only two choices to consider:

1. A person who simply follows the tenets of his religion in great detail, and without deviation.

2. A person who has to 'read in' commands to the extent that they do not comply with the actual message. (This is an edit to try to make it more clear.)

My vote goes for number 1.

Comments and quibbles welcome.
From a religious point of view, a religious extremist is someone who has been blinded to the core values of their own faith.

For example; someone who is radicalised into being willing to kill (usually -if not a [mortal] sin- a very wrong thing to do) for their religion, as opposed to being willing to die for it.

Humbly
Hermit
 
From a religious point of view, a religious extremist is someone who has been blinded to the core values of their own faith.

For example; someone who is radicalised into being willing to kill (usually -if not a [mortal] sin- a very wrong thing to do) for their religion, as opposed to being willing to die for it.

Humbly
Hermit

Or as I like to say, Women’s History is not for the squeamish.

Jessica Darrow - Surface Pressure (From "Encanto")​

 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I was not giving a definition. Read the post again.
I'm sorry. I thought you were offering your opinion that 'religious extremist' is a "buzzword" used by hypocritical proponents to slam people with color and to put them in a box.

Thank you for setting me straight.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
Someone who is a brainwashed fanatic. Tries or succeeds in exerting power over others through manipulation, familial/community shunning, force, and politics.

Alternatively obeys blindly, even to the detriment of themselves.

Cannot be reasoned with. Attempts to suppress intelligence, critical thinking, and education.

Is prejudiced, rigid, and hypocritical. Uses language that cultivates views of all the world being an enemy. At its most extreme will use faith to justify severely harming, oppressing, and murdering others.

Extremists have essentially veered from faith to cult behavior, and I see them as no better then the likes of Scientology, Jonestown, Waco and others of that ilk.

TL/DR:There's a sliding scale, but none of it is positive.

Yes to all.

Anyone who knows the Qur'an will see Mohamed's mind-control at work just as you have described.
 
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