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What is Christian Love?

ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Believe it or not, I learned what Christian love is from a Buddhist. Christian love, praying for your enemies, loving those who hate you, those are examples of human love. Without condoning wrongdoing, you can try to understand why a person behaves the way they do- such as understanding why a sociopath is a sociopath (by birth or abuse, who knows?). That is Christian love.
 
IKNOWNUFFINK

IKNOWNUFFINK

Active Member
I love that song - I used to play it every nite in the band I was in. I was the drummer....:cool: What an ace clip man. The guy on the left is my new hero. That made my nite. Thanks
 
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Madhuri

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
IKNOWNUFFINK said:
Christian Love is impossible without divine supernatural assistance.

Mathew 5: 44-45

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
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How many Christians do you think actually achieve this Love?
 
IKNOWNUFFINK

IKNOWNUFFINK

Active Member
Madhuri said:
2100121[/size]]How many Christians do you think actually achieve this Love?
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Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

There is a differnce in being a professing Christian and a disciple - not many if any Christians acheive this, but all His deciples do. Gods will has to come first above all else - until that happens one cant ever really experience what it takes to love your enemies.

When Jesus walked this earth mutitudes followed him around, witnessing his miracles, but not many, even then, became his disciples
 
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joea

joea

Oshoyoi
IKNOWNUFFINK said:
There is a differnce in being a professing Christian and a disciple - not many if any Christians acheive this, but all His deciples do. Gods will has to come first above all else - until that happens one cant ever really experience what it takes to love your enemies.
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We need to love and respect ourselves first, before we start worrying about loving our enemies. Love needs to grow from within you first before you can give it.
 
IKNOWNUFFINK

IKNOWNUFFINK

Active Member
joea said:
We need to love and respect ourselves first, before we start worrying about loving our enemies. Love needs to grow from within you first before you can give it.
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The Op is :"What is Christian love"

Christian Love comes from above and in all honesty - thinking about yourself and loving yourself etc etc is the furthest thing in the universe from the truth of what christian love is.

People have no trouble loving themsleves and serving themselves it's what is all that is wrong with the world today.
 
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Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Christian love is summed up in the Beatitudes.[/FONT]
[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif] Which is how God feels about us.[/FONT]
That together with the command to Love one another sums it up nicely.
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[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]The Beatitudes [/FONT][FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]as sung by the monks of Glenstal Abbey[/FONT]


[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you[/FONT][FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]. Solo[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are the poor in spirit, the kingdom of heaven is theirs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are the gentle, they shall inherit the land[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are those who morn, they shall be consoled.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice. The justice of God shall be theirs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are the merciful, mercy shall be shown unto them.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are those who bring peace, they shall be children of God[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Blessed are those who suffer in the cause of right, the kingdom of heaven is theirs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Gatineau, sans-serif]Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.[/FONT]
 
IKNOWNUFFINK

IKNOWNUFFINK

Active Member
Eliot Wild said:
With all due respect, how do you know this?
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With all due respect you keep asking me how I know things. Have you read the bible? And you are aware this is the Christian DIR arent you?

The basic premise of the bible is the total depravity of the human race heading headlong for eternal damnation, hence its need for salvation.

So I find it amusing when people bang on about loving ourselves first so the we can all unite in one big happy loving family. Give me a break.

Keep that in the "peace love and mung beans" section if you don't mind.
 
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Eliot Wild

Eliot Wild

Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
IKNOWNUFFINK said:
With all due respect you keep asking me how I know things. Have you read the bible? And you are aware this is the Christian DIR arent you?
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First of all, I don't believe that I "keep asking" you how you know things. However, since this is an open forum, I am inclined to question other's beliefs wherever and whenever I find they don't make sense to me. As a matter of fact, I may even question beliefs that do make sense to me, if I find them fascinating and want to understand better how the person arrived at their position. But in this particular case, I don't think your assertion makes sense.

I have read the Bible, but I am not that educated on it. I am certainly no biblical scholar. I find the Bible to be highly interpretable, cryptic and sometimes even downright absurd. I do not believe it to be the infallible word of God, but perhaps I am wrong. Usually, because I do find the Bible to be so suspect and cryptic in its content and meaning, I will freely question those who think they know exactly what it means, especially if they make assertions such as yours which I find to be absurd.

I understand this is the Christian Dir, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Are you saying that because this is the Christian Dir, I should know exactly how you reached your position? As someone who find Christ's teachings interesting and truthful, I am compelled to find out more about him and ask questions of those who claim to understand him.

You have alleged that Christian Love is impossible without divine and/or supernatural intervention. I don't believe this to be true. However, I generally try to concede that I might be wrong in my reasoning. Hence, my questions. If you are uncomfortable with them or simply feel disinclined to explain your reasoning, then feel free to ignore me. I assure you, I will not be offended.

The basic premise of the bible is the total depravity of human race heading headlong for eternal damnation, hence its need for salvation.
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Interesting.


So I find it amusing when people bang on about loveing ourselves first and the we can all unite in one big happy loving family. Give me a break.

Keep that in the "peace love and mung beans" section if you don't mind.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't written anything about "loving ourselves first" . . . I think you are confused as to which post you are responding to.

Where exactly would one find the "'peace love and mung beans' section"?

I don't think we need to love ourselves first before we demonstrate love for another. That is not my position, so I don't understand why you felt the need to challenge that in your response to my question.

I am trying to be as direct as possible and keep things as simple as possible to avoid any misunderstandings. That is why I asked you simply how you know that Christian Love is impossible without divine or supernatural intervention? However, you then responded with all sorts of presumptions and assertions that are in no way related to my question. Now, I am wondering why? If the simple and straight answer is that your belief is based explicitly on Biblical content, then why not just say so? Why engage in presumptions and false assumptions?

Nevermind. Don't answer that. It is obvious that for a Christian you are curiously defensive about being asked of your beliefs and how you came to develop them.
 
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IKNOWNUFFINK

IKNOWNUFFINK

Active Member
Eliot Wild said:
First of all, I don't believe that I "keep asking" you how you know things. However, since this is an open forum, I am inclined to question other's beliefs wherever and whenever I find they don't make sense to me. As a matter of fact, I may even question beliefs that do make sense to me, if I find them fascinating and want to understand better how the person arrived at their position. But in this particular case, I don't think your assertion makes sense.

I have read the Bible, but I am not that educated on it. I am certainly no biblical scholar. I find the Bible to be highly interpretable, cryptic and sometimes even downright absurd. I do not believe it to be the infallible word of God, but perhaps I am wrong. Usually, because I do find the Bible to be so suspect and cryptic in its content and meaning, I will freely question those who think they know exactly what it means, especially if they make assertions such as yours which I find to be absurd.

I understand this is the Christian Dir, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Are you saying that because this is the Christian Dir, I should know exactly how you reached your position? As someone who find Christ's teachings interesting and truthful, I am compelled to find out more about him and ask questions of those who claim to understand him.

You have alleged that Christian Love is impossible without divine and/or supernatural intervention. I don't believe this to be true. However, I generally try to concede that I might be wrong in my reasoning. Hence, my questions. If you are uncomfortable with them or simply feel disinclined to explain your reasoning, then feel free to ignore me. I assure you, I will not be offended.



Interesting.




I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't written anything about "loving ourselves first" . . . I think you are confused as to which post you are responding to.

Where exactly would one find the "'peace love and mung beans' section"?

I don't think we need to love ourselves first before we demonstrate love for another. That is not my position, so I don't understand why you felt the need to challenge that in your response to my question.

I am trying to be as direct as possible and keep things as simple as possible to avoid any misunderstandings. That is why I asked you simply how you know that Christian Love is impossible without divine or supernatural intervention? However, you then responded with all sorts of presumptions and assertions that are in no way related to my question. Now, I am wondering why? If the simple and straight answer is that your belief is based explicitly on Biblical content, then why not just say so? Why engage in presumptions and false assumptions?

Nevermind. Don't answer that. It is obvious that for a Christian you are curiously defensive about being asked of your beliefs and how you came to develop them.
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With all due respect. LOL. :clap

PS - It has become rather evident to me that the Christian DIR is not a place where people who are genuinely enquiring about the Christian faith are congregating, it apppears to be a forum for people to pour scorn on the Chrstian faith and Chistians.

You may be right, I may have become a little defensive, I shall leave it to a more Christ like individual to answer your "genuine" enquiries going forward.
 
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autonomous1one1

autonomous1one1

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
idea said:
What is Christian Love?
Well, let's here it - what is love?
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Greetings Idea. Love is a hallmark of Christianity. From one perspective, this love might be said to be selfless union/reunion with another as oneself.

In another form, agape love of the Christian might be said to be universal, as well as unconditional, unity with 'others' that aims for fulfillment of the other.
 
Eliot Wild

Eliot Wild

Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
IKNOWNUFFINK said:
With all due respect. LOL. :clap

PS - It has become rather evident to me that the Christian DIR is not a place where people who are genuinely enquiring about the Christian faith are congregating, it apppears to be a forum for people to pour scorn on the Chrstian faith and Chistians.

You may be right, I may have become a little defensive, I shall leave it to a more Christ like individual to answer your "genuine" enquiries going forward.
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I don't understand your position at all. Who in this thread has poured scorn on the Christian faith and Christians?

Do you honestly believe that it is scornful or spiteful to ask simply and directly how you arrived at your beliefs?

I thought the Christian Dir was for people to honestly and openly engage Christians with questions about their beliefs. Why do you believe that everything is a threat? Why do you assume that simple questions regarding the nature of your beliefs carry some hidden agenda of ridicule or criticism?

We are dealing with issues of absolute truth. To that degree, there are going to be questions and disagreements. I am sincerely trying to reach an understanding of how you arrived at your conclusions. And yes, if I disagree with someone, I will tell them honestly that I have NOT reached the same conclusions. Would your prefer that I not be so direct? Would you prefer that I be disingenuious or outright lie?

Just because I disagree with your position doesn't mean I am not willing to fairly consider it, or at least try to see how you arrived at it.
 
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