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What is Consciousness?

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
For me to say that consciousness is the result of many complex interactions may not be very descriptive and it is also admittedly quite inadequate, but I wouldn't say it is entirely inaccurate.

I think we could both agree, that solar systems are the result of many complex interactions?, but those interactions that create great fusion reactors, which produce more complex elements specific to DNA, life, and a habitat for it to thrive in.. are determined by very specific instructions, universal constants encoded into subatomic physics. corrupting that code infinitesimally would crash the entire system as this software.

Did these directions appear by chance? not impossible I would concede, but I think there may be less improbable explanations
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
I think we could both agree, that solar systems are the result of many complex interactions?, but those interactions that create great fusion reactors, which produce more complex elements specific to DNA, life, and a habitat for it to thrive in.. are determined by very specific instructions, universal constants encoded into subatomic physics. corrupting that code infinitesimally would crash the entire system as this software.

Did these directions appear by chance? not impossible I would concede, but I think there may be less improbable explanations

Like what?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Memory is a misleading concept (Are there 256 different kinds of memory?). Every living system encodes/represents "memories" via internal configurational dynamics (every cell in your body does this). Ants, amoebas, flowers, skin cells, etc., all are capable of remembering in ways that computers are not (living systems have nothing like a computer's memory systems because there is no distinction between processor and memory and because memory isn't stored but represented through the system's dynamics). Once we start saying that this property entails a brain, the term becomes meaningless.
It doesn't matter what we call it, it is still memory system that works for other animals such as ants.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It doesn't matter what we call it, it is still memory system that works for other animals such as ants.
It matters to those whose research concerns memory, cognition, neuroscience, machine learning, and more. Different memory systems work use different brain regions and networks, are responsible for different memory processes, and...well...just plain work differently. So, for example, Erik Kandel's Nobel prize winning work on learning using sea slugs allowed us to model a particular type of memory/learning, but were we to simply call this memory we would not be able to understand how rats, dogs, cats, or birds learn, let alone humans. It's qualitatively, not quantitatively, different from memory systems that brains are capable of.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
It matters to those whose research concerns memory, cognition, neuroscience, machine learning, and more. Different memory systems work use different brain regions and networks, are responsible for different memory processes, and...well...just plain work differently. So, for example, Erik Kandel's Nobel prize winning work on learning using sea slugs allowed us to model a particular type of memory/learning, but were we to simply call this memory we would not be able to understand how rats, dogs, cats, or birds learn, let alone humans. It's qualitatively, not quantitatively, different from memory systems that brains are capable of.
Yes I like what you say, but for me. its just a form of memory, I like the K.I.S.S. principle better.
 
I find it kind of funny when people talk about "consciousness" as though it were something so mysterious, compelling and inexplicable, but that's just me...

Consciousness is not a mystical, inexplicable thing, nor is it the ground of all being, nor is it a fundamental property of the universe. It is described as the ability to be aware or have feelings, emotions, senses, but that doesn’t really explain what specifically it is or what causes it from a physical standpoint. This is my explanation… From a physical standpoint, consciousness is the ability to interact with our environment in a complex manner. Everything interacts with the environment in some way, even rocks and plants. The ability for energy forms to interact and change form is fundamental to all of existence. That is why we have such thing as the Fundamental Interactions. Interaction is the fundamental driving force behind our universe, not consciousness. A rock or tree interacts with its surroundings, but what makes something “conscious” however, is the complexity of those interactions. A human interacts in a far more complex manner than a tree or a rock. Humans interact with the environment in a number of ways…light, sound, touch, taste, smell, etc… A rock interacts with its environment also, but on a much more basic level. Consciousness therefore is no more than a complex form of interaction, or a combination of several complex interactions working together, which evolved over millions of years from much simpler forms of interaction. Of course this is an extremely simplified explanation, but it really doesn't take a novel to explain what consciousness is.
I agree. Would you say that the universe and all life seems to be connected and 'conscious'?
 
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