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What is free will?

LegionOnomaMoi

LegionOnomaMoi

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ladybug77 said:
Okay, free will works how an atoms protons, nuetrons, and electrons work. Say we have 12 protons, and 12 nuetrons in the nucleus. The protons represent the situation in the now. The nuetrons represent the action to the situation. If we act on a proton # 1, our reaction is -1. And the electrons are at a specific point on the outer circle. If we act on proton #2, the reaction is -2 (and now the electrons are at a different point than the first senario)...the possiblities are the electrons outside the nucleus. Depending on the waves vibration and frequency...the electrons can be PREDICTED to be at a certain point in time and space outside the nucleous...but its ever changing. Hence: freewill.
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You mean this metaphorically, correct? As an illustration, not, say, the Free Will Theorem?
 
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ladybug77

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LegionOnomaMoi said:
You mean this metaphorically, correct? As an illustration, not, say, the Free Will Theorem?
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As an illustration yes. Einstien thought the world was like a clock...predetermined. that everything was already planned, and set in motion. It is planned and set in motion...he was just missing a few things in my opinion.
 
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ladybug77

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ladybug77 said:
Okay, free will works how an atoms protons, nuetrons, and electrons work. Say we have 12 protons, and 12 nuetrons in the nucleus. The protons represent the situation in the now. The nuetrons represent the action to the situation. If we act on a proton # 1, our reaction is -1. And the electrons are at a specific point on the outer circle. If we act on proton #2, the reaction is -2 (and now the electrons are at a different point than the first senario)...the possiblities are the electrons outside the nucleus. Depending on the waves vibration and frequency...the electrons can be PREDICTED to be at a certain point in time and space outside the nucleous...but its ever changing. Hence: freewill.
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I cant explain it any better without drawing a picture, or making a video...can u post that stuff on here?
 
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ladybug77

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ladybug77 said:
Okay, free will works how an atoms protons, nuetrons, and electrons work. Say we have 12 protons, and 12 nuetrons in the nucleus. The protons represent the situation in the now. The nuetrons represent the action to the situation. If we act on a proton # 1, our reaction is -1. And the electrons are at a specific point on the outer circle. If we act on proton #2, the reaction is -2 (and now the electrons are at a different point than the first senario)...the possiblities are the electrons outside the nucleus. Depending on the waves vibration and frequency...the electrons can be PREDICTED to be at a certain point in time and space outside the nucleous...but its ever changing. Hence: freewill.
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Wow, now that i reread that...lets say the 12 protons are the 12 hours of a clock. Hence at 1 oclock...your situation is 1 in the equation. You must choose a nuetron thats value is -1 to act on the situation. (So there are many possible ways to react that all have the same -1 value, one of the -1 values must be applied.) Hense stabilizing the now. And the electrons (or the possibilties) have changed thier time and point to (X) (un known) then again at 2 oclock...the situation is different...we nutralize it with whatever action with a (-2) and again the electrons have a different point in time and space.

Science has discovered even smaller particles inside nuetrons, protons, and electrons themselves...if the nuetrons represent the action. Within that nuetron contains the possible (smaller particle) actions, or decisions that can take place.

Strange enough science has a hard time explaining the nature of electrons and how they work exactly. So using this as an illustration is really quite awesome. :)

Hey, Einstien was a great man. ;) you have to come up with a theory to prove first right? It does make sense.
 
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Awoon

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nilsz said:
Do you regard free will as something that can be assigned responsibility?

Do you agree that free will is something that is unshaped by the wider universe?

Do you agree that, in order to be responsible, free will must have some awareness over what it is responsible?

Do you agree that in order to be aware over what it is responsible, it needs to be affected by it?
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Free will is being able to hold your water for three days while it's raining.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Gjallarhorn said:
Well, i assumed you were contrasting a computer with a human, but you were actually equating them. My bad.

My only problem with it is that it doesn't say how decisions are made, which is basically the crux of the whole debate. If decisions are made based on prior causes, then that would be determinism. If decisions are made based on odds, then it's indeterminism.

Neither of which is free will.
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Or they're based on randomness, which I'm not sure would constitute as "will." "Will" suggests to me that it's a "want," but I could be wrong with that association. :shrug:

Oops
I saw you made a similar observation in the next post. :)
 
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ladybug77

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Thief said:
You are defined by your denial.
Such is freewill.
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Free will is contained though. In that sense, its not our decision or choice at all. But within that containment...there are options we choose. Which in itself, our free will. But strangly enough...you are FREE TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT. :)
 
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