What is heaven like?

[psychoslice]

I said I was selfish. But I stated that I wasn't a cruel selfish person. Also, even if I was no longer a selfish person anymore, I would still have no desire to live for others, make the world a better place, help others, etc.

And you expect to go to so call heaven ?.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

And you expect to go to so call heaven ?.

Yes, because even though I am selfish, I am innocent and no God would send an innocent person to hell. I am a kind and respectful person towards my family and other innocent people and that is all that should be expected of me.

 

[psychoslice]

Yes, because even though I am selfish, I am innocent and no God would send an innocent person to hell. I am a kind and respectful person towards my family and other innocent people and that is all that should be expected of me.

I agree with you, if there was a heaven that is, but most churches wouldn't agree with you, and I personally don't believe in a heaven or a childish hell.

 

[Whiterain]

Never really toiled on it myself. All the contemporary religious parties argue and fight over who's dogma is right, which delusional paradise is real.

I don't really want to go to some golden fantasy land and be friend with Jesus. What is more banal is the realms were generalized into "Heaven" and "Hell," which were composed of numerous realms, dimensions and "Halls," in which one would join whichever deity chose them, it was much more interesting.

It's something trivial to dwell on to me. Even with my radical UPG or psychosis I am left to question the spirit dimension, even if it exists.

I focused more on coming to peace with dissolution after death, it wasn't something I really trifled with and don't understand why so many are obsessed or perplexed by it.


Do you deserve it? In Old Religion about 99% of people go to the underworld or some void plane of residual consciousness, or are devoured, better pay your tithe.

 

[Muffled]

Where? Curious now.

Ciao

- viole

Jesus said that John that John the Baptist was Elijah. I believe that can only happen with reincarnation.

 

[Muffled]

Please notice that those who govern with Jesus are Not resurrected to earth but have a heavenly resurrection- Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10
To me, they govern over Earth from the heavens - Revelation 5:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:50 ( <- Nothing physical goes to heaven )
Please remember what Jesus taught at John 14:19 that the world will behold ( see ) Jesus No more.
We do Not see spirit persons - Hebrews 9:24, but as Jesus today is head of the Christian congregation - Ephesians 5:23 - we can see the effects of his governing - John 13:34-35 - among genuine followers.
So, the majority of people can have the opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
Most people can have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
And those alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37 - can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth, and to be part of the first to inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5

I believe the New Jerusalem descends to earth so the governance will be there. I believe heaven is not Heaven. The New Jerusalem is in heaven not Heaven.

However Jesus does have a physical body and will return in the same manner in which He left.

I believe this is not fully true. A large number of people who have not been raptured will die in the holocaust. The remnant will not have eternal life.

 

[Muffled]

No one knows what Heaven is like because once you die and move on, you don't come back to write an essay about it.

I believe I have returned to tell about it.

 

[viole]

Jesus said that John that John the Baptist was Elijah. I believe that can only happen with reincarnation.

Cool. i can only delegate the rebuttals, if any, of this to other Christians in the audience. I expect they will all contain the sentence "out of context" or "metaphoric" or something.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

Cool. i can only delegate the rebuttals, if any, of this to other Christians in the audience. I expect they will all contain the sentence "out of context" or "metaphoric" or something.

Ciao

- viole

I believe I can assist you with that. They say that he is only Elijah in spirit but they don't mean spiritual entity which suggests re-incarnation but acting in the same spiritual fashion that Elijah acted.

It ought to be obvious that they are stretching things a lot because they do not want to accept that reincarnation is a reality.

 

[viole]

I believe I can assist you with that. They say that he is only Elijah in spirit but they don't mean spiritual entity which suggests re-incarnation but acting in the same spiritual fashion that Elijah acted.

That is the nice thing about the Bible. No matter how you read it, or you want to read it, you find always an explanation.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

That is the nice thing about the Bible. No matter how you read it, or you want to read it, you find always an explanation.

Ciao

- viole

I believe the text does not allow them to say that. They are reading something into the text that is not there not even in context.

 

[viole]

I believe the text does not allow them to say that. They are reading something into the text that is not there not even in context.

Ach. i knew the "context" thing would pop up.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Sleeppy]

Genesis is the first introduction to ' death ' - Genesis 2:17
Genesis is the first introduction to ' paradise ' ( aka Eden )
Jesus is the first introduction to ' heaven ' - John 3:13

To me, No one who lived before Jesus lived was called to heaven, but via resurrection to live forever on Earth. - Acts of the Apostles 2:34
All the faithful listed at Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39 will have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection.
That is why to me the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
God's promise to father Abraham was Not heaven, but earthly blessings - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Jesus will fulfill God's promise about earthly blessings - Revelation 22:2
So, the promise Jesus made to the man executed with him was ' paradise ' or an 'earthly resurrection' which will take place on Earth during Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:10-11,29; Proverbs 2:21-22

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=heavens&qs_version=YLT


The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. The heavens expand above the Earth.

 

[Milton Platt]

Heaven is a spiritual state not a place. It's very difficult to explain in worldly terms. Heaven is another consciousness, another reality where one experiences sentiments people sigh for in vain and rarely ever attain.

Your evidence for this is?

Sentiments such as Certitude, a level of knowledge higher than that of logic and reasoning but that embraces both. One can walk the earth and be in heaven at the same time. It is a state of nearness to God from obeying His laws not just worship and belief.

Your evidence for this is?

A person is not in a state of heaven necessarily always as there will be times when this physical world and its cares will cause sorrow and pain and weigh our spirits down.

But there is always the ability to rise above these things.

How does one attain heaven?

In the time of Moses to attain it acceptance of Moses and His laws were the requirements. When Christ appeared the state of heaven could only be attained by turning to Him and after Him Muhammad and now Baha'u'llah.

We cannot reach a state of heaven spiritually unless we accept all truth not just the parts we like, for heaven embraces all truth as well as science.

Evidence?

When humanity accepts each other as part of one human family and each other's Faith as part of one progressive Truth, then we shall have a type of heaven on earth.

I agree with the first part, not the second part.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. The heavens expand above the Earth.

Yes, the heavens expand, so to speak, above the Earth.
- Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10

God's heavenly kingdom government to me will govern over Earth through Christ.
'Thy kingdom come ', 'God's will (purpose) be done on Earth as it is in Heaven'.
No one prays to be taken up to the kingdom, or taken away to the kingdom but for the kingdom to come.
There is No war, No crime, No violence, No pollution, No sickness, No death in Heaven.
So, we are praying for those same good heavenly-like conditions to come and exist on Earth.
- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24; and Isaiah 35
Through Christ, as Prince of Peace, mankind on Earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life '.
Through Christ there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

 

[Sleeppy]

Yes, the heavens expand, so to speak, above the Earth.
- Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10

God's heavenly kingdom government to me will govern over Earth through Christ.
'Thy kingdom come ', 'God's will (purpose) be done on Earth as it is in Heaven'.
No one prays to be taken up to the kingdom, or taken away to the kingdom but for the kingdom to come.
There is No war, No crime, No violence, No pollution, No sickness, No death in Heaven.
So, we are praying for those same good heavenly-like conditions to come and exist on Earth.
- 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24; and Isaiah 35
Through Christ, as Prince of Peace, mankind on Earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life '.
Through Christ there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

The messianic anointing isn't exclusive to the man, Jesus of Nazareth. The Spirit of God is poured out over all flesh. Daniel speaks about the "stars of the expanse."

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Religions have differing views of heaven but many if not most people who have near death experiences are like the one mentioned by @Eliab ben Benjamin

About the vast majority of suicides, what I believe is that we have some work to do on Earth and if we cut it short, we get stuck for a long time and then have to come back to complete that work.

I just thought it was a funny joke.

 

[Etritonakin]

Now I am agnostic. I do not know if there is a heaven or not. But if there is, then what is it like? Is it an eternal blissful life that has no misery and no suffering? If so, then that is the life worth living to me and I will stick around in this life and bear through any suffering and misery in this life so that I can get that life since that is the ultimate life worth living to me.

That is my only reason for sticking around in this life. If I was not an agnostic and thought that there was no afterlife, then I would just give up on this life immediately and take myself out of it right here and now. Even though I am kind towards my family, the fact that they would grieve over my suicide will not change anything.

There is no way I am living a life of unhappiness and misery and I would have to take myself out of such a life. Me having a blissful life that has as little suffering and misery as possible is the only life worth living to me.

I came here to be happy and have no misery in my life since that is the only experience that makes my life worth living. Everything else and all other experiences are completely empty and devoid to me. So I do hope that me choosing to stay in this life anyway will pay off later and that I will get the ultimate eternal blissful life.

Christ told the thief on the cross that he would be with him in paradise.
He did not say "heaven" -and for good reason.

There are technically three heavens in the bible. One is essentially the earth's atmosphere -another space/the universe as a whole -and another the specific location which God has chosen for his throne at this time -which is unknown.
[2 Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ) such an one caught up to the third heaven]

However.... Believe it or not... The bible does not actually say "heaven" is the reward of the saved.
What is written is that the meek shall inherit the earth -and that the earth will be made a paradise.
It also specifically says that not only the earth, but the heavens (space/universe) were formed to be inhabited.

Those in the first resurrection will be given powerful and invulnerable bodies, and they will reign on Earth with Christ for a thousand years before the rest of the dead are resurrected and given the opportunity to live forever.
Humans will repopulate during that time -and will probably continue to reproduce and be made immortal without end -as it is written that of the increase of his government there will be no end.

The bodies we will be given when made immortal are said to be like Christ's glorious body -by which he is able to subdue all things unto himself -by which he created the entire universe and all of the worlds therein.
It is also written that those born of the spirit will travel in a manner similar to the wind.
It is written that the entire creation awaits liberation from decay by the children of God.
Christ is called "the firstborn of many brethren".
We will essentially create awesomeness throughout the universe.
Earth will essentially become its headquarters.

There are many verses which detail the changes which will happen on Earth.
Animals will be changed so they do not harm each other or humans.
Humans will be kept from warfare while they learn peace.
They will use their implements of war for agriculture and will cease to learn war.
All nations will go up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles after Christ begins to reign -or they will receive no rain.
Extreme changes will be made to the earth (fountains in the deserts, valleys raised, mountains lowered, etc., etc.) to make more and better materials and resources available.
Eventually, the works which we have made on the earth thus far will be burnt up -and any harm done healed.
There will be a new heavens and new Earth.

All will learn to get along and create together in peace and happiness -without conflict.

It says all of that! Read it!

Ever wonder what you might do forever?

How about anything you can imagine throughout the universe -as long as it doesn't lead to destruction and unhappiness?


Isaiah 45:18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else

Phil 3:21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

(Creature=creation in the following)
Rom 8:18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I believe I can assist you with that. They say that he is only Elijah in spirit but they don't mean spiritual entity which suggests re-incarnation but acting in the same spiritual fashion that Elijah acted.

It ought to be obvious that they are stretching things a lot because they do not want to accept that reincarnation is a reality.

Cool. i can only delegate the rebuttals, if any, of this to other Christians in the audience. I expect they will all contain the sentence "out of context" or "metaphoric" or something.

Ciao

- viole

I just got to say something about that, the spirit of Elijah had to do with repentance which is rather I would say refreshing however they through up or had meetings at John the Baptists churches in before ww2. I can tell you that the kingdom of heaven did not come........
And that they used the reincarnation theory to justify that.
I given that a big go bit yourself many times. I do it livingly and I don't play heaven games or angel games or preacher games for that very reason.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I just got to say something about that, the spirit of Elijah had to do with repentance which is rather I would say refreshing however they through up or had meetings at John the Baptists churches in before ww2. I can tell you that the kingdom of heaven did not come........
And that they used the reincarnation theory to justify that.
I given that a big go bit yourself many times. I do it livingly and I don't play heaven games or angel games or preacher games for that very reason.

besides what are they scared of?? LOL