A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
I do not get what your point is.
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What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?
- Thread starter Epic Beard Man
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
eating shell fish is punishable by death in the Bible a book Christians believe in.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Sure we are. Boom.
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
I find no issue with that. From my perspective the Bible contains two testaments, like that of a person and their salvation – there is the period before they are saved, and there is the period after. Both periods matter, but only that period after which they are saved is relevant.
So please, go on.
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
Interesting. I was unaware there is Jewish scripture which prophetically condemns this belief, that Jesus is the Christ who died for us.
Could you cite that scripture for me, please?
rosends
Well-Known Member
Prophetically condemns? Well, there is text that condemns the false prophet (Jesus qualifies). That would be in Deut 18 I think. It would be hard to condemn a particular non-entity, but it also says in Deut 24 that a man dies for his own sins so that would invalidate the claim that anyone would "die for us." Then you have all the requirements for a messiah, which Jesus doesn't fulfill so the text would condemn the lies. What else were you looking for? Since the entire of the Jewish written bible never mentions Jesus, he isn't condemned by name. But Judaism as a religion rejects him and condemns his claims which seemed to be what you were claiming did not happen.
Setting aside other problematic things here, you are suggesting that the Torah is not eternal. It is. The Israelites were commanded to follow it then and they are to follow it now. So that kind of disproves your entire argument.
Exodus 31:16:
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exodus 12:23-25:
For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you. And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and thy sons for ever. And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the Lord will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.
Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.
etc.
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
I believe the Law, in its principle, is eternal.
"Examine the scriptures, since you think that in them you have eternal life. They also testify about me, yet you don’t want to come to me so that you can have life.
“I don’t accept praise from people, but I know you, that you don’t have God’s love in you. I have come in my Father’s name, and you don’t receive me. If others come in their own name, you receive them. How can you believe when you receive praise from each other but don’t seek the praise that comes from the only God?
“Don’t think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, the one in whom your hope rests. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, because Moses wrote about me. If you don’t believe the writings of Moses, how will you believe my words?” [John 5:39–47]
Basically Christianity redefining everything to fit its theology, ignoring what's actually written.
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
I was referring to the fact that Islamic scripture specifically addresses the subject of Jesus' nature, whereas Judaic scripture does not, specifically.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
It was overkill, though. Besides, Jesus isn't saying she doesn't deserve it. He was pointing out the hypocrisy. It sounds more like he was accusing all of them of having a "piece of the pie" and only blaming the "pie" for it. They weren't chasing down the guy, after all. And even though I agree with you she was (partly) at fault, stoning an adulterer is a bit much. It doesn't fit at all. Just divorce the woman. Problem solved.
Even if the laws are just, death is a consequence for the pettiest of reasons. Surely civilized people can do better.
Not really. They were unhappily dragged around for 40 years on a 2 week journey just so a religious terrorist could avoid a murder charge in his home country.
The ironic thing is Egypt had more rights than Hebrews wanted.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Because Jesus didn't exist when the text was written, so why talk about him specifically?
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
My point was that Islam has a "vendetta" against the Christian Jesus, whereas Judaism does not.
rosends
Well-Known Member
We just explicitly reject him. Got it.
Ok, who will regulate it then? Of course the government with input of ideas and opinion of the community activists. I cant include hedonistic bodies.
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
No regulation at all.
It is enough that society condemns it.
Many things sound good in theory, but when put into practice they become corrupt and evil. Take communism for example.
Really...I find shocking when Christians ask Jews to acknowledge Jesus' existence...not to mention that He was the Messiah...
and btw...in the OT there is absolutely no reference to the Christian concept of Messiah explained by John the evangelist.
A Spirit Runs Through It
Dragonslayer
Perhaps they ask for acknowledgment because he is the most noble person to have lived, not to mention being a Jew, and yet the Jews reject him. As for me though, asking for acknowledgment – I was not asking.
And by the way, start a thread and you and I can discuss the Messiah, as explained by John the Evangelist. I can explain how God is creating a new heaven and a new earth, and where in the OT that Christ is foreshadowed.
OK
Adultery now is legal in many parts of the world as long as the 2 doing it consented, are you happy? many are seeking now DNA testing to make sure they are fostering their genuine sons and daughters.
I'm not fan of Quora but I gave the entry a fair read after following your link. I'm having trouble finding a reference to where religious Jews might find the Protestant version of the Bible insulting. There is some reference to the interpretation of the content but that's really nothing to do with the actual content, maybe you could paste and highlight? Just curious, that's all.