What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

[The Kilted Heathen]

All those growth statistics are ego-fluffers, and should be taken with mounds of salt. If I have a group of 5 people, and we get 5 more people, we've grown 100%. We're still only 10 people.

 

[Trailblazer]

I was trying to be optimistic for Pete's sake. BTW: Pointing at the huge growth numbers of the Baha'i faith is relatively meaningless when compared to Islam or Christianity. The Baha'i faith has virtually no followers compared to either Christianity or Islam and so almost any conversions will produce awesome, but highly misleading, results. 1.32% of 2 billion is around 26.4 million people. Likewise, Islam sports slightly less than 31-1/2 million new Muslims every year. There are only approximately 7 million Baha's on the planet so your growth rate will seem much higher than the others even though you are only averaging 250K per year. Facts are sobering things.

Of course Christianity and Islam are much larger than the Baha'i Faith. Christianity has been around for over 2000 years and Islam has been around for 1400 years. The Baha'i Faith has only been around 166 years.

“There were 1,000 Christians in the year 40, 1,400 Christians in 50, 1,960 Christians in 60, 2,744 Christians in 70, 3,842 Christians in 80, 5,378 Christians in 90 and 7,530 Christians at the end of the first century.

These figures are very suggestive, and reinforce the point that in its initial decades the Christian movement represented a tiny fraction of the ancient world.”
From: How many Jews became Christians in the first century?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Are you born of a Jewish mother? Because your theology tells me you are not a convert.

Both my parents are Jews.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Are you talking to me? Because if you are, I have never studied Talmud and I am asking you a simple question. You cannot just choose to be Jewish without formal conversion.

I was born Jewish of Jewish parents, circumcised in my home eight days after I was born. The past is less important than having trusted Messiah Y'shua for salvation.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Unsubstantiated statements don't require supported rebuttals.


If you knew the Torah half as well as I know the Talmud, you'd know the NT devalues the paper it's printed on.

I have read Tanakh and the NT multiple times in multiple versions. The NT is the fulfillment and summation of the OT--and your response belies your lack of understanding of both testaments since over 95% of NT theology IS OT theology!

 

[stvdv]

you'd know the NT devalues the paper it's printed on

That feels quite demeaning. But of course we are free to have an opinion. This I KNOW.

 

[Tumah]

I have read Tanakh and the NT multiple times in multiple versions. The NT is the fulfillment and summation of the OT--and your response belies your lack of understanding of both testaments since over 95% of NT theology IS OT theology!

Your response belies your lack of understanding of the Torah. Over 98% of NT theology was fabricated by the authors.

 

[stvdv]

Your response belies your lack of understanding of the Torah. Over 98% of NT theology was fabricated by the authors

Would be good though, little booklet with 2% truth. No worries which parts were fabricated etc

 

[Woberts]

Your response belies your lack of understanding of the Torah. Over 98% of NT theology was fabricated by the authors.

If you mean 100%, then you would be correct.

 

[Baroodi]

I don't think you quite understand what that means. Nothing I said invalidates another part of my argument.


I am, of course, speaking from my Christian perspective, which is the perspective the OP is questioning.


Christianity has expanded our knowledge of God and how He works in the world and in our lives. Christianity has opened the doors for a more full relationship with God.

Dear Emu it is absolutely a mistake to say current Christianity expanded our knowledge of God. God in current Christianity is badly described in a perverted way. Moved from monotheism as described by Jesus, Moses and Mohammed (peace be upon them) to polytheism. God is well described in Judaism, Islam and even in Hinduism although Hinduism mix this good step in God knowledge with many idolatry creeds.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Christianity's nowhere near polytheism. No more than deifying a prophet so far that you can't even name things after him, but people are okay, but you definitely can't draw him.

 

[Mister Emu]

Dear Emu it is absolutely a mistake to say current Christianity expanded our knowledge of God.

I can't, and wouldn't if I could, force you to believe otherwise.

This thread was about the difference in Christian perception of Jewish and Islamic theology, I've answered.

 

[Muffled]

I believe you are laboring under a delusion. Christians do not accept Judaic views of the Trinity any more than Muslims' views of the Trinity.

 

[Muffled]

Actually Christian theology , as Philo of Alexandria shows is influenced by Greek philosophy, not so much by Judaic philosophical concepts...

I believe that is nonsense.

 

[Muffled]

For the same reason Jews don't care much for Christian theology.

Supersessionist religions supersede what went before so can take what they like from the earlier faith.

Those who went before tend not to value being told their beliefs have been superseded, or the opinions of those who are telling them

I believe the Qu'ran does not supersede Christianity. There is no new covenant in the Qu'ran.

 

[A Spirit Runs Through It]

Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

Because, simply, Islam boldly rejects the Christ. The very core of the Christian religion is the sacrifice and crucifixion; and Islam denies it even happened. Judaism, on the other hand, is not so bold.

The true believing Christian is utterly repulsed by Islam, should they be familiar with its tenets. Therefore, why would they draw upon something repulsive? Furthermore, let me be clear that Muslims themselves are not inherently repulsive, but rather, the religion itself.

 

[A Spirit Runs Through It]

What is evil about Muhammad's message ...

Compare these two passages concerning adultery, the first one being from the Quran, and the second one, from the New Testament:

"As for the adulterer and the adulteress, flog them each one hundred lashes, and let not pity for them overcome you concerning God’s Judgment, if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let their punishment be witnessed by a group of the believers (Q. 24:2)."

"Then each of them went home, while Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him and he sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery; and making her stand before all of them, they said to him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They said this to test him, so that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." And once again he bent down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the elders; and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus straightened up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" She said, "No one, sir." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again (John 7:53–8:11)."

Now suppose you have committed adultery, and a mob has arrested you, dragging you before a judge to be sentenced: Which judge would you prefer to hear your case, Muhammad or Jesus?

The evil is evident, if one only considers the matter with a just mind. And this is but a drop in the bucket.

 

[Rival]

Now suppose you have committed adultery, and a mob has arrested you, dragging you before a judge to be sentenced: Which judge would you prefer to hear your case, Muhammad or Jesus?

And what about the Torah Jesus is supposed to have followed? The Law of G-d to the Israelites, the same G-d Jesus believed in?

The penalty was strangulation.

In the narrative, whether it happened or not, the adulterers were caught by at least four men (since it uses the plural for both scribes and Pharisees), caught in the act itself and...'go sin no more'?

I wonder how the cheated spouse felt.

You have to be kidding.

 

[Tumah]

The very core of the Christian religion is the sacrifice and crucifixion; and Islam denies it even happened. Judaism, on the other hand, is not so bold.

Say what now?

 

[A Spirit Runs Through It]

You have to be kidding.

I am not sure what you mean, so please, elaborate a bit more. Are you saying the woman should have received the punishment as prescribed in the Torah?