What is an instinct? Or a dream? Or a metaphor?
Are these all interrelated forms of interpreting the world?
Are these all interrelated forms of interpreting the world?
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What is Instinct?
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MrIntelligentDesign
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That is a good question. VERY GOOD! What is instinct?? I am the only person in the world who could answer that correctly...
Does Quantum Mechanics Reveal That Life Is But a Dream?
Perhaps reality is the dream?
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Perhaps reality is the dream?
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The aboriginals of Australia have known even longer.
They called it "the dreaming"
Edit: Also "Everywhen"
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Alfǫðr (Allfather) is Odin, Father of Men. He is also known as Fjǫlnir (Fjolnir) Wise One, concealer, "the One who is many".
Edit: It's not quite dream related, but I see a Brahman connection.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
The idea that we can't trust our senses has been commonplace in Western philosophy for more than 2000 years at this point. There is, for example, Plato's famous Allegory of the Cave, positing that our sensual perception yields only illusion, and Réné Descartes' famous first principle is similarly derived from the argument that there is functionally little difference between our experience of reality and a particularly vivid lucid dream.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Instincts are innate response mechanisms programmed into us through eons of adaptation to our environment. They help us respond to stimuli in ways that increase our fitness to continue to reproduce ourselves.
Humans are unique in that we are capable of munipulating our environment to the extent that we can create (what ethologists call) supernormal stimuli to elicit stronger responses. Internal chemical reactions become euphoric when we behold magnificent buildings that once were simply well-built nests. Social media becomes addictive due to how it illicits responses to our social instincts.
Humans are unique in that we are capable of munipulating our environment to the extent that we can create (what ethologists call) supernormal stimuli to elicit stronger responses. Internal chemical reactions become euphoric when we behold magnificent buildings that once were simply well-built nests. Social media becomes addictive due to how it illicits responses to our social instincts.
MyM
Well-Known Member
To me, instinct is something that is already inbred in us. It is in every creature God created. Someone who by without even thinking, does things naturally inside themselves.
Animals have the basic instinctiveness...example...take a kitten, grows to be ready to mate, gets pregnant, delivers and knows exactly what to do with her babies, their sack (placenta) she eats and instinct just takes over. No one told her what to do, no one showed her what to do, she just does it. This is instinct.
Animals have the basic instinctiveness...example...take a kitten, grows to be ready to mate, gets pregnant, delivers and knows exactly what to do with her babies, their sack (placenta) she eats and instinct just takes over. No one told her what to do, no one showed her what to do, she just does it. This is instinct.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Dreams appear to me to be aspects of our subconscious attempting to influence our waking life. Some dreams maybe more obvious, but some are metaphorical in that the target isn't our logical brain, but our emotions, which often change our behavior easier than reason.
MyM
Well-Known Member
In Islam, Dreams are of three types.
Rahmani (those that come from Allah), nafsani (psychological, they come from within a person) and shaytani (those that come from the Shaytan). The Prophet pbuh said: “Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allah, a dream which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytan, and a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep.” (al-Bukhari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)
Rahmani (those that come from Allah), nafsani (psychological, they come from within a person) and shaytani (those that come from the Shaytan). The Prophet pbuh said: “Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allah, a dream which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytan, and a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep.” (al-Bukhari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)
take a kitten, grows to be ready to mate, gets pregnant, delivers and knows exactly what to do with her babies, their sack (placenta) she eats and instinct just takes over. No one told her what to do, no one showed her what to do, she just does it. This is instinct.
I'll use the argument from m the paper I linked. That technically couldn't be instinct, because it is a learned behavior. Just as we "learn" to parent, by using the interactions we had with our parents as a basis for what is correct/wrong.
Read the paper I posted friends!
It touches on this a little bit. It's only a 19 page dialogue. Between scientist father and his daughter.
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It touches on this a little bit. It's only a 19 page dialogue. Between scientist father and his daughter.
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MyM
Well-Known Member
I understand, but a kitten doesn't learn because they don't have any idea what is going on as a kitten. They don't know what is what. The mamma cat doesn't teach them that you need to do this and that...many times the kittens are taken from the mother and given away. So, to me, it is already known in them what to do. They never learned it from their mother cat nor taught lessons in school lol
anyways, that's what I think
I understand, but a kitten doesn't learn because they don't have any idea what is going on as a kitten. They don't know what is what. The mamma cat doesn't teach them that you need to do this and that...many times the kittens are taken from the mother and given away. So, to me, it is already known in them what to do. They never learned it from their mother cat nor taught lessons in school lol
They learn via observation, the same way we learn our behaviors from our parents. School lessons aren't the Hallmark of learning. Read the dialogue. Kittens learn fast and grow fast. The reasons they maintain a lot of juvenile behaviours is because we take them from their parents and they don't finish learning. Blanket suckling for instance is a sign of a cat that didn't learn enough from momma (have had several cats that do this).
MyM
Well-Known Member
Observation though, how? they are born first of all with their eyes shut until maybe a week later they start
They are not around when the mother has done what she has done. They are taken and given to another person to raise. Instinctive behavior isn't just a learned behavior...they suckle and their hands do the kneading instinct straight away. My daughter is an animal rescuer and she fosters sooooo many little kitties and they automatically know to do the kneading thing even to a tiny lil bottle. It's so cute!! They haven't seen the mother cat deliver and they just know what to do when they deliver. It cannot be a watch and learn. It's just they are born with it.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Not wholly correct. She does what she has seen others doing.Animals have the basic instinctiveness...example...take a kitten, grows to be ready to mate, gets pregnant, delivers and knows exactly what to do with her babies, their sack (placenta) she eats and instinct just takes over. No one told her what to do, no one showed her what to do, she just does it. This is instinct.
Observation though, how? they are born first of all with their eyes shut until maybe a week later they start
Ears, touch, taste. We have more then sight for learning. How does the blind at birth learn?
Edit: have you read the dialogue I linked in my OP? It gives insight into where I'm coming from.
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