Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Now Trump is compared to King Cyrus? Are these sector of Jews (not all) this dense to commemorate a man whose members have anti-Semitic views?
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What is Israel doing?
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I'm of the opinion that the belief that Israel-Palestine solely or primarily belongs to Jews is no less extremist, prejudiced, and shortsightedly partisan than the belief that it solely or primarily belongs to Arabs or Muslims.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
I’m concerned that the people blindly prints a coin of a man whose family (not his kids) like him and daddy are associated with an anti-Semitic group like the klan and the likes of David Duke. Rambam would be ashamed at the stupidity.
It appears that Israelis believe that Trump is pro-semitic.
When it comes to Jewish ties, no GOP candidate trumps Trump
So it's possible....just possible...that claims of anti-semitism are hollow, & fueled by partisan rancor.
When it comes to Jewish ties, no GOP candidate trumps Trump
So it's possible....just possible...that claims of anti-semitism are hollow, & fueled by partisan rancor.
Aldrnari
Active Member
I... What? King Cyrus?...
You know, come to think of it, modern America does have some similar traits to the Achaemenid Empire. I don't know if I would put Trump on the same level as Cyrus the Great (who, unlike many other rulers, actually lived up to that title).
Who knows, though? He's got 3 more years.
You know, come to think of it, modern America does have some similar traits to the Achaemenid Empire. I don't know if I would put Trump on the same level as Cyrus the Great (who, unlike many other rulers, actually lived up to that title).
Who knows, though? He's got 3 more years.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Stephen Bannon: 5 things Jews need to know
On Sunday, President-elect Donald Trump appointed Stephen Bannon to be his chief strategist. Before joining Trump’s campaign, Bannon was the chairman of Breitbart News, a site steeped in conspiracy theories that has featured the white supremacist, anti-Semitic ideologies of the so-called alt-right.
Stephen Bannon: 5 things Jews need to know
Any employer in mainstream corporation would not hire someone whose views are not aligned with the company. Why hire someone whose views are not aligned with American people unless you share them? I don't need to prove Trump regardless of what we see on the outside dabbles into racist politics.
I suspect that Israel judges Trump by his actions & speech,
ie, standards other than Bannon's shortcomings.
I read your link, but why do you believe Bannon is anti-semitic?
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
If you read it why are you asking me this question? But yes like Trump's base there is no investigation of a candidates background just see a face and just support.
Because the link doesn't clearly support your claim about Bannon.
So instead of just a link without explanation or excerpt, your own
words would be clearer.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
> some people do something
> "What is this country doing?"
It's always good when you announce to everyone how you are very special so they know not to take it serious whenever you say something.
You don't have to overextend yourself, you already made it clear that you are special.
> "What is this country doing?"
It's always good when you announce to everyone how you are very special so they know not to take it serious whenever you say something.
You don't have to overextend yourself, you already made it clear that you are special.
Tumah
Veteran Member
So there's a few points here, that kind of make me wonder about you.
1. Judging by the discussion in the video, these coins appear to be minted by the Temple Institute. The Temple Institute does not stand for Israel, Israelis, or...pretty much anyone except for the couple tens of people who work there. They're not a part of the general Israeli culture or, I mean, probably not even 90% of Israeli culture. Their views with regards to building the Temple to my knowledge are not popular among the secular, Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox and according to most Rabbinic authorities, their view is wrong.
So I guess my first point is how you used the label "Israel" when you really meant, "this particular institution". And even though you did modify it in your OP, you remained vague enough so as to mislead people into assuming that this is a common opinion among a certain type of Jew in Israel.
2. The guy in the video himself explains that he's not trying to commemorate Trump or express Trump's importance but rather he's using Trump to express the importance the Temple has.
"...but I'm sure, that through Trump that everybody will understand not how Donald Trump is important but how important Jerusalem and the Temple is to the whole world..."
3 And really, the comparison is pretty clear. They're not trying to make an accross-the-board comparison between Trump and Cyrus. They're obviously trying to compare the fact that Cyrus began the procession which resulted in the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the Temple, with Trump's remarks regarding Jerusalem as a precursor to the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the Temple. This is not a comment on Trump's saintliness or Cyrus' for that matter.
You're kind of creating a straw man here by suggesting that the comparison is faulty or wrong because of a reason completely unrelated to the context in which the comparison is being drawn. Yeah Trump is all manners of horrible, but that has nothing to do with what they percieve as the similarity between Trump's statements and the Cyrus' actions with regards to Jerusalem and the Temple.
When has Trump not supported Israel?
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Skyrocketing-support-for-Trump-among-Israelis-518096
When we consider the amount of support that the US has given Israel, some people suggest that it is because of a prophesy in Zechariah 8 concerning the end times.
"And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’
23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’” (Zechariah 8:23-24)
It seems as if the US might see itself as 'clinging onto the robe of the Jew' in order to procure some divine favor for itself when the end finally comes.....?
Anyone else heard it explained like this?
"And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’
23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’” (Zechariah 8:23-24)
It seems as if the US might see itself as 'clinging onto the robe of the Jew' in order to procure some divine favor for itself when the end finally comes.....?
Anyone else heard it explained like this?
Shad
Veteran Member
Not in the form of procuring divine favour but as those that fulfilling prophecy as willing followers of God. Of course human ego comes into play so that basis is can alter between humble and arrogance, a willing "vessel" and those that force prophecy.
Yes, I was thinking more along the lines that they may think that God might forgive them for all their sins if they are nice to the Jews.....
.....if that is the case, they will be very disappointed. I'm sure God doesn't work that way and he is also aware of our motives.
We are judged by our own works and by the fact that we show repentance. You can't buy God's favor, or win it by giving candy to someone's baby.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
That's great! however I will admit that I did not investigate the groups background thoroughly so I did not know that but all I have is your word on their activity inside Israel. In that case I assume you are either currently living in Israel or have and are intimately familiar with the group.
Apparently you missed this
The printing of the man's image actually "Trumps" his intent in dedicating this coin to the Temple. He is printing the image of a man on a coin so I think this gratitude overshadows the message (especially if I'm looking at this for face value). As an observer who lives in the United States and as someone who is well aware of the ignorance of Trump displayed by him and as someone who has done his research on Donald Trump's background as an observer I'm not concerned about the Temple. What I see is a man dedicating a coin to a man who is associated with having anti-semitic roots.
I never said it was across the board, but the intent of Cyrus and Trump is different and as someone living in the U.S. who is exposed to the lies that Trump spit out all the time and his shady past, to commemorate this man in any form and to allocate his actions to a historical figure calls into question the intellect of the individual, that is where my emphasis lies. Again, in the above I said sector, but these people live in Israel. Look people make these types of classifications all the time. If I travel to Greece and someone has a question about the behavior of "Americans" some don't say some Americans it is usually all. I mean, I have to answer for the actions of my own demographic daily without people discerning individual behavior from the whole.
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
The link is very clear you're just not accepting the submitted evidence.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Trump supports Israel as much as David Duke....People think just because a president does something for another country that said president deep down in their "soul" really supports them. In politics you have establishment and there are groups with power. there is a small Jewish base with power and some influence and to not appear anti-semitic Trump is going to cow toe to that base to fly off the radar. This happens. Trump is smart enough to not appear racist or anti-semitic because to the international community it looks bad and its bad for business both for himself and for the country.
This old malarkey?! Stephen Bannon is not an antisemite. Leftist have been pushing this lie since during the election. It is bologna. And in case you didn’t know it Trump fired Bannon. So, no, Trump doesn’t have any antisemites in his administration.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Pretty sad when individuals moonlight on forums with sock puppet accounts