What is More Important?

[jojom]

Taking Jesus as one's savior, but being a selfish *******.
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Living a compassionate, giving life, but rejecting Jesus as one's savior?

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And no in-between stuff, or claims that one couldn't take Jesus as one's savior and be a selfish *******---I've run into such characters.


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[George-ananda]

Living a compassionate, giving life, but rejecting Jesus as one's savior?
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I'll pick the one above. I think the quality of our heart and mind is what is most important, not your religious beliefs. Sorry, I think you were hoping to debate with a conservative Christian, so I'll bud out for being too sensible.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Totally the first one.

 

[jojom]

I'll pick the one above. I think the quality of our heart and mind is what is most important, not your religious beliefs. Sorry, I think you were hoping to debate with a conservative Christian, so I'll bud out for being too sensible.

Not a debate with, but a discussion among Christians.

 

[Thana]

The bible says that in the end, God judges us by our hearts.

But if I personally had to choose between belief or morality, I'd pick belief as the most important.

 

[Unification]

Taking Jesus as one's savior, but being a selfish *******.
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OR

Living a compassionate, giving life, but rejecting Jesus as one's savior?

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And no in-between stuff, or claims that one couldn't take Jesus as one's savior and be a selfish *******---I've run into such characters.


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If "the Christ" is a literal guy, it couldn't make sense.

If "the Christ" is physical matter, or blood, or plasma... Indeed that would be our savior.

If "Jesus" is a metaphor for "truth" and "life," then one believes and is seeking "truth," hence... Seeking and believing in metaphor "Jesus."

Just as if "God" is one, and all, and everything is connected, one exploring the cosmos is knowing/exploring "God." Or exploring biology, is knowing/exploring "God." Or exploring nature would be exploring/knowing "God." If "God" is a metaphor for the cosmos, life, nature, universe, consciousness. One is exploring in spirit- aura, being, sensation, ability to feel.

Either way, being a selfish "b" would be living in anti-Christ, anti-matter, more negatively charged energy.

 

[Deathbydefault]

The bible says that in the end, God judges us by our hearts.

But if I personally had to choose between belief or morality, I'd pick belief as the most important.

See this is a huge issue I have when discussing the Abrahamic God beliefs.
Most Christians I talk to, at least in real life, seem to think their God belief is more important than the morals they subscribe to with their belief.

I'm not a very moral person at all.
However, the moral standards described in the Bible are exactly the reason why I would choose Hell over Heaven if any of the Abrahamic God beliefs were true.

[In this context I'm equating God belief and following in the God of that belief.
I know that just because someone may have a God belief they do not necessarily follow the God they believe in.
Such as, if whichever Christian version of God were to prove itself, I would believe in it but would not follow it.]

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not a debate with, but a discussion among Christians.

Then why not post this in the Christian DIR?

 

[Quintessence]

Not a debate with, but a discussion among Christians.

For future reference, if you're looking for discussion only within a specific religion (and if you don't belong to that religion, you need to limit yourself to respectful questions), a better place for that would be the DIR for that religion. Debate is prohibited in DIRs, as are non-question side comments from non-members of those religions.

 

[jojom]

Then why not post this in the Christian DIR?

 

[jojom]

For future reference, if you're looking for discussion only within a specific religion (and if you don't belong to that religion, you need to limit yourself to respectful questions), a better place for that would be the DIR for that religion. Debate is prohibited in DIRs, as are non-question side comments from non-members of those religions.

Thanks for the heads-up, but I don't really care if there are side comments or not. Discuss---don't discuss. Debate---don't debate. I'm an equal opportunity poster; everyone is welcome.


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[psychoslice]

We don't need Jesus to live our life, if we never heard of him we would be simply living our life, and maybe even enjoying it better.

 

[Deathbydefault]

We don't need Jesus to live our life, if we never heard of him we would be simply living our life, and maybe even enjoying it better.

There certainly wouldn't be all these people with huge amounts of guilt over so many things.

 

[Thana]

See this is a huge issue I have when discussing the Abrahamic God beliefs.
Most Christians I talk to, at least in real life, seem to think their God belief is more important than the morals they subscribe to with their belief.

I'm not a very moral person at all.
However, the moral standards described in the Bible are exactly the reason why I would choose Hell over Heaven if any of the Abrahamic God beliefs were true.

[In this context I'm equating God belief and following in the God of that belief.
I know that just because someone may have a God belief they do not necessarily follow the God they believe in.
Such as, if whichever Christian version of God were to prove itself, I would believe in it but would not follow it.]

I don't consider myself a very moral person either.

Belief can be transformative. Morality... not so much.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't consider myself a very moral person either.

Belief can be transformative. Morality... not so much.

Uh? How would that work?

 

[Thana]

Uh? How would that work?

How would what work?

 

[Deathbydefault]

I don't consider myself a very moral person either.

Belief can be transformative. Morality... not so much.

They are both self dependent.
I can see your point with belief, as many people have danced between theist and atheist.
However, morality can also be swayed by experiences.

I used to subscribe to fundamentalist Christian morals as a child, before I had a better understanding of them.
After reading that book a couple of times, and realizing how unverifiable it was, I changed my morals completely.
I now keep my morals in line with what I think progresses society and, in turn, completely secular.
My morals change with the information that is brought to my attention, as do my beliefs.

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One of many examples, below.

I used to think that smoking marijuana was bad because it seemed similar to smoking tobacco.
The change was when the information on how marijuana affects the body was brought to my attention.
Now I think that smoking marijuana is okay/good.

 

[LuisDantas]

How would what work?

How could belief be more transformative than morality? That sounds counter-intuitive.

 

[psychoslice]

There certainly wouldn't be all these people with huge amounts of guilt over so many things.

Yea your right, I was once one of them, but now truly enjoy my life.

 

[Thana]

How could belief be more transformative than morality? That sounds counter-intuitive.

You change your morality.. Your morality doesn't change you.