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What is Resurrection of the dead?

The Crimson Universe

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What exactly is Resurrection of the dead before the day of Judgement?

Is it a physical raising of the dead bodies from their earthly graves?

Or is it an etherial raising, like the soul or astral body raised from deep slumber at the time of judgement?

I'm a little confused because i came across an article which says it is an etherial raising and not a physical one.
Then there are other articles which says its actually a physical raising of all flesh bodies from their earthly graves.

Does this mean different christian denominations have different interpretations of it? o_O
 
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Brickjectivity

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Does this mean different christian denominations have different interpretations of it? o_O
Different people have different views of this. Sometimes it comes down to what their church teaches. Other times it is what they imagine. Sometimes it is what they interpret from scripture for themselves. Some have a revelation directly. There are scripture stories of resurrections. In one of them Jesus appears to have a body that doesn't work like ours. Some believe that we are resurrected in a better body. Others believe it means sometime else. One person told me that it means we are resurrected in a body that doesn't tempt us to sin.
 
What exactly is Ressurection of the dead before the day of Judgement?

Is it a physical raising of the dead bodies from their earthly graves?

Or is it an etherial raising, like the soul or astral body raised from deep slumber at the time of judgement?

I'm a little confused because i came across an article which says it is an etherial raising and not a physical one.
Then there are other articles which says its actually a physical raising of all flesh bodies from their earthly graves.

Does this mean different christian denominations have different interpretations of it? o_O

Perhaps it is a rennaissance of knowledge we are seeing now in our age. Rennaissance means rebirth. And by rennaissance i mean a mass education of people through internet. vast quantaties of knowledge are easily available for anyone to read. And by dead perhaps it is meant uneducated and actively ignoring information from fear of being wrong. I enjoy new input into my system.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
I think Jesus asked Peter to touch his wound to confirm his return. Perhaps he resurrected in his physical body. Well, what is impossible for God, the son of God.
Here you mention a very interesting fact

Jesus is the perfection Christians believe
So, if Jesus gets back His old body
My guess is that we get that too
(Jesus tells us to live like Him)

Not really something to look forward to
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Scripture gives no explanation of the Resurrection itself which is the interpretation of the empty tomb.
Jesus 'appeared' only to those of faith, and clearly in a 'different' form. We are left with 'something' happened that convinced the Apostles the crucified lives.
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
Different people have different views of this. Sometimes it comes down to what their church teaches. Other times it is what they imagine. Sometimes it is what they interpret from scripture for themselves. Some have a revelation directly. There are scripture stories of resurrections. In one of them Jesus appears to have a body that doesn't work like ours. Some believe that we are resurrected in a better body. Others believe it means sometime else. One person told me that it means we are resurrected in a body that doesn't tempt us to sin.

If we are going to be resurrected in a better body (as believed by some Christians, like you just said) then do you think we will use that special body here on earth, after being raised from our earthly graves? or are we going to have such a body in heaven only?
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
Here you mention a very interesting fact

Jesus is the perfection Christians believe
So, if Jesus gets back His old body
My guess is that we get that too
(Jesus tells us to live like Him)

Not really something to look forward to

I wonder if Jesus will return to his old body during his second coming.
But i agree with Aup. Anything is possible for the Lord.
 

The Crimson Universe

Active Member
Scripture gives no explanation of the Resurrection itself which is the interpretation of the empty tomb.
Jesus 'appeared' only to those of faith, and clearly in a 'different' form. We are left with 'something' happened that convinced the Apostles the crucified lives.

The empty tomb?
Isn't that what the Jewish scriptures call Sheol and the Greek septuagint call Hades?

I found an article yesterday that says Sheol AKA Hades is the empty grave which has no limits or boundaries and has infinite space for all souls of the dead. There is only darkness and no activity, thought or wisdom.
And that this Sheol/Hades is different from the fiery Hell of the christians.

Can you shed more light into this?
Thanks.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
My guess is that we get that too. (Jesus tells us to live like Him)
Not really something to look forward to
Only Christians get that. We follow Sanatana dharma.For us, it is eternal hell.
Well, I think Christians look forward to it.
You will either get 'nirvana' or be reincarnated. You are close to being 'jeevanamukta'.
I will become omnipresent, part of a billion living and non-living things when the 7 octillion atoms of my body disperse. ;)
.. or are we going to have such a body in heaven only?
God's kingdom will be here on Earth.

Wikipedia (Sheol): ".. it can be interpreted as either a generic metaphor describing "the grave" into which all humans invariably descend, ..": Most Hindus do not go into graves.
 
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pearl

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Can you shed more light into this?

In part three of the Resurrection Appearances series, I've compiled three theologians who reject the historicity of the empty tomb stories in the New Testament: Wolfhart Pannenberg, Raymond E. Brown, and Karl Barth. All three theologians believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, and also believe that if the dead body or skeleton of Jesus were to be discovered in Jerusalem, it would provide irrefutable evidence that the resurrection of Jesus did not happen. However, these three theologians do not believe that the empty tomb stories reported in the New Testament was a historical event. In fact, they all believe that Christians should not believe in an empty tomb, because Christians believe in a living Jesus not the empty tomb, and any fundamentalist statement that says our faith depends on belief in the empty tomb should be ridiculed as an "empty faith" and a "misplaced faith".

First, Paul's resurrection accounts (cf. 1 Cor 15:4) say nothing about the empty tomb, so either Paul did not know about the empty tomb or it was not important to him.

Second, Paul's witness to the resurrection is the oldest tradition in the New Testament, even older than the Gospels that report the empty tomb, and makes no references to the empty tomb.

Third, the oldest witnesses to the risen Jesus are isolated accounts of resurrection appearances that describe the risen Jesus appearing and disappearing as a single event, such as in Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus; and they did not separate the appearing (c.f. empty tomb) and disappearing (c.f. the ascension) by a forty day period.

Fourth, the empty tomb is a specifically a concern for the earliest Jerusalem Christians, because their resurrection stories may be falsified by the discovery of the dead body of Jesus. When the early Christians first shared the resurrection appearances, they were confronted with questions concerning the location of the body of Jesus, and conflicting answers were given (John 20:13-18; Matthew 28:13-15), and the empty tomb story finally developed to answer these questions.

Fifth, the empty tomb story further developed in the oral tradition, were include in the earliest Gospel (Mark 16:1-8), because it was an effective narrative device for codifying the independent resurrection appearances.

Sixth, the empty tomb stories contain contradictions that make a historical reconstruction impossible, (Mark 16:1-8; Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1-12; John 20:1-18; Gospel of Peter 35-43.), and these indicate that the empty tomb stories were still developing in the later gospels, further confirms the legendary nature of the empty tomb stories, and its origin as a narrative and apologetic vehicle for explaining the resurrection appearances.

Seventh, any demand that the empty tomb must be believed, is a modern fundamentalist statement that is open to ridicule, as an "empty faith", because Christians do not believe in an empty tomb, but in a living Jesus Christ. However, even if the empty tomb proves to be legendary in nature, it remains indispensable to the Church's Easter faith, because it is the traditional narrative used by the Church tradition to proclaim the resurrection appearances of Jesus.

The Resurrection Appearances: 3. Faith in the Empty Tomb is an Empty Faith | The PostBarthian
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Perhaps it is a rennaissance of knowledge we are seeing now in our age. Rennaissance means rebirth. And by rennaissance i mean a mass education of people through internet. vast quantaties of knowledge are easily available for anyone to read. And by dead perhaps it is meant uneducated and actively ignoring information from fear of being wrong. I enjoy new input into my system.

There are plenty of false things being proposed as knowledge also. People seem to like things from their own imagination instead of a more literal reading. The trouble with a non literal reading is that we can twist the scripture to say anything that we imagine it might mean.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
The empty tomb?
Isn't that what the Jewish scriptures call Sheol and the Greek septuagint call Hades?

I found an article yesterday that says Sheol AKA Hades is the empty grave which has no limits or boundaries and has infinite space for all souls of the dead. There is only darkness and no activity, thought or wisdom.
And that this Sheol/Hades is different from the fiery Hell of the christians.

Can you shed more light into this?
Thanks.

Some will be raised with an immortal body like the one Jesus had at His resurrection.
Others will be raised with a normal body it seems until after the judgement and then imo they also will get either an immortal body or they will be thrown into Gehenna. (see Matt 10:28)
Sometimes Gehenna is translated as "hell" and sometimes sheol and hades are translated as "hell". Gehenna might be "hell" but sheol and hades are not imo.
A common idea of "hell" as a place of eternal torment imo is not quite right even though suffering does happen while those there are still alive. There are many ideas about the place where those who are not given eternal life end up.
My understanding is that sheol (Jewish) and hades (Greek) are the place for the souls of the dead while they await resurrection and Gehenna literally is a place near Jerusalem where rubbish was burnt.
It is usually cults, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, that say sheol and hades only mean the grave (hole in the ground for our bodies). They also have other wrong teachings about death and resurrection.
In the various early creeds of Christianity (eg The Apostles Creed--a prayer summary of the beliefs of Christianit), the resurrection of the body is a core belief of Christians. This makes sense, as Jesus rose bodily.
 

Wandering Monk

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What exactly is Ressurection of the dead before the day of Judgement?

Is it a physical raising of the dead bodies from their earthly graves?

Or is it an etherial raising, like the soul or astral body raised from deep slumber at the time of judgement?

I'm a little confused because i came across an article which says it is an etherial raising and not a physical one.
Then there are other articles which says its actually a physical raising of all flesh bodies from their earthly graves.

Does this mean different christian denominations have different interpretations of it? o_O

Yeah, that's the thing with made-up stuff. A person can say ANYTHING and there is no way to prove them wrong,
 

pearl

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What exactly is Ressurection of the dead before the day of Judgement?

24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live

Ezekiel 37 is a famous passage that records Ezekiel’s vision of the valley of dry bones. This vision took place while Israel was in Babylonian captivity (so sometime between 586 B.C. and 538 B.C.). Yahweh brought Ezekiel out in His Spirit to a valley of dry bones (37:1). Back in chapter 6, God said He was bringing a “sword” upon Israel and would “scatter” their bones (6:3-5). The bones that are raised to life are then described as “an exceedingly great army” (37:10). So this scene suggests the aftermath of a battle.

God asked Ezekiel, “Son of man, can these bones live?” Ezekiel responded, “O Lord GOD, you know” (37:3). Ezekiel may have been hesitant, but he knew that God was able to raise bones to life. Ezekiel was told to prophesy the following to the bones: “O dry bones, hear the word of Yahweh . . . I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live . . . You shall live, and you shall knew that I am Yahweh” (37:4-6). When Ezekiel prophesied, there was a "rattling" (or an "earthquake," as in 3:12-13). The bones came together, and then flesh and skin came on them (37:7-8), “But there was no breath in them” (37:8). So Ezekiel prophesied “to the breath”—“Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live” (37:9). Breath came into the bones and they lived (37:10).


 

The Crimson Universe

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My understanding is that sheol (Jewish) and hades (Greek) are the place for the souls of the dead while they await resurrection
Do you think christians believe in these two (Sheol and Hades) or do they only believe in the hell (with the lake of fire where awaits eternal torment)?
 
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Dave Watchman

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What exactly is Resurrection of the dead before the day of Judgement?

Technically, there's two resurrections. The one that you're mentioning, "before the day of Judgment", sounds like the second resurrection.

Is it a physical raising of the dead bodies from their earthly graves?

It's physical. (For the people of the second resurrection that is.) We know this because these people are subject to the "second death". They are also called "the rest of the dead".

"Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power,​

Or is it an etherial raising, like the soul or astral body raised from deep slumber at the time of judgement?

I'm a little confused because i came across an article which says it is an etherial raising and not a physical one.
Then there are other articles which says its actually a physical raising of all flesh bodies from their earthly graves.

Does this mean different christian denominations have different interpretations of it? o_O

Pretty much.

And when those other denominations hear my read on it, they can get as irritated as the Atheists.

Just have a read of Revelation 20 for yourself. I'm told the ESV version is a direct word translation that can be trusted:


It's a serious subject. But God is smart. The denominations that think people will burn in hell forever, just can't imagine infinity into the future.

The "smoke" from their torment will ascend forever.

"And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever​

But those people will be gone. Dreadful sorry Clementine.

"And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,​

God will not punish them for infinity, for the deeds done in a brief life of iniquity in the flesh. They are devoured by the fire. They become ashes under the feet of the righteous.

"Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the LORD Almighty.​

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Only Christians get that. We follow Sanatana dharma.
Well, I think Christians look forward to it.
You will either get 'nirvana' or be reincarnated
Resurrection of the dead "feels" similar to Reincarnation (resurrect the soul into a new body) to me.

God's kingdom will be here on Earth.

I will become omnipresent, part of a billion living and non-living things when the 7 octillion atoms of my body disperse
Seems like a plan...7 octillion atoms...well you won't miss out on God's Kingdom on Earth, being so highly "omnipresent"
 
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